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Frank Stevenson
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Note to Coaches: You are Screwing Up the Kids

by Frank Stevenson
created March 03, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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So yesterday Dr "Jamel" and I got together with the wives and kids and just hanged out at the Stevenson house. I have a 2 year old boy named "Jam-Jam", Dr "Jamel" has a 3 year old boy named "Pablo". While the kids were playing and the wives were in the kitchen baking brownies (I'm just kidding), I told him about the articles I was writing here on armchairgm and some of the comments back that I have been getting. I told him about the "parent one and limiting such young kids to one sport" article I wrote, and his comment back was, "Don't forget about the coaches, this one jack-ass coach had this 9 year old boy maxing out on squating and the kid hurt his low back. What a fackin douchebag!"..........

The following is the summary of our discussion.

Apparently, some coaches out there feel like it is necessary to have 9 year old boys lifting weights. Bench pressing, deadlifts, cleans, squats, arms, shoudlers, back, etc, etc, to build muscle, become stronger, become faster, and dominate the other opponents. Some coaches today, and also I'm sure some parents, are bringing kids into the gym at earlier and earliey ages, and making them perform like they are body builders. I go to the gym very frequently, and while I'm in my own world there, I have seen extremely young kids doing some pretty ridiculous things. Why in the world does a 9 year old boy have to start bench pressing with a barbell? With his back resting against the bench, I've seen an adult male yellling (he called it motivating) an extremely skinny, short, young male to "push it", seeing this kid trying to push up 95 lbs, ONCE! Once! Once! A 9 year old boy maxing out on bench pressing?! His coach, or dad, or whoever he was, then lowered the weight and made him do sets of 5 reps or less. They then moved on to squating and did the same thing. Afterwards, they went into the basketball court and started doing specific basketball drills. When I see this I just shack my head, turn up my ipod louder, and finish my workout.

Now, we both went on the record saying that we don't think lifting weights is entirely a "stupid idea", even for 9 year olds. It really isn't a problem if you want young boys and girls doing "resistance" training. Push-ups, sit-ups, pull-ups, squats and lunges with no weights or light dumbbells, exercises like these are great for young kids to learn and start developing. "Core exercises" are amazing for youngsters as they focus on working the inner muscles, along with developing proproiception and balance skills. Working with a physioball, Bosu Ball, balance/wobble boards, jumping rope, are all excellent ideas for very young athletes. When I was around that age playing hockey my coach use to make us run up and down the stairs of the arena. We also worked on sprinting skills, pylon running skills, threw tennis balls against the wall to practice hand-eye coordination, stuff like this. All great "close chained" exercises to help in the development of our nervous system and coordination. Close kinetic chain exercises, which are exercises performed while weight-bearing (standing for example), are all great exercises that are very appropriate for young athletes IF performed with light to no weights. On the other hand, open kinetic chain exercises, which are exercises performed NON-weight bearing, (such as bicep curls, benching, hamstring curls, etc), just aren't appropriate OR USEFULL.

The number one thing that ALL people have to do BEFORE starting to work-out at a gym is to decide what their main purpose and goals are. Are they there to lose weight?, build lean muscle?, body-building?, strength train? athletics?, what? Why are they there!? Body builders DO NOT train like strength competitors train who do NOT train like people who are there to lose weight who should not train like athletes. So why are these coaches and/or trainers and/or parents training their 9 year old kids the same as body-builders? Why the hell is a 9 year old on machines? Machines weren't built for the size of a typical 9 year old, Why the hell is a 9 year old benching with a barbell? When is a 9 year old while playing in their particular sport going to be pushing something away from their chest while lying down with their back supported? Back on a physioball with dumbbells would make more sense if you want to go the weight way. Why the hell does a 9 year old have to max out? It's stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. If you want to start teaching young kids how to lift weights, for the love of god, use dumbells, use light weights, and focus strictly on proper lifting techniques so when the time is right they are trained and can handle to increase in weights. And then when they start lifting make sure it's specific to their sport!

Another friend of mine, we will call him "Dee", coaches soccer for 10 year old boys. He actually makes them play baseball sometimes. He also makes the play street hockey- teach them another way to learn how to focus on a ball near their feet on the ground. It's great! They do fitness and training but everything they do is close kinetic chained resistance using their own body strength. And he hammered mechanics. Mechanics, mechanics, mechanics, mechanics! Doesn't this make more sense?

I know there are a lot of GREAT coaches and trainers out there. However, there are also a TON OF CRAPPY ones! Don't let your kids be trained or coached by an idiot who could end up hurting them. Don't do it. Don't allow it. Just don't.

Play safe. Train safe. Be smart. Train Smart.




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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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I haven't proof read this yet. I don't have time but submitted it fast because I hate this timing out. Anyway... I'll get to it a little later. I have some work to do right now.
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SSreportersLegend
655 days ago
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Why don't you write it on another program (Word), then copy and paste here?
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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I usually do that but forgot so I just whipped it out (insert joke). I think I have about 5 minutes to finish (insert joke)
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SSreportersLegend
655 days ago
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Insert (insert joke).
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SSreportersLegend
655 days ago
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Frank, please stop using anything that is Jamel related, because it's getting irritating. Also, what would be the definition of a typical 9 year old? Because to me, that's subjective.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
655 days ago
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I can think of a few other things that are irritating.
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SSreportersLegend
655 days ago
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That's right, Steelers fans. Good night everybody!
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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SSreporters it's my article and I will use any damn name I want to. You don't think it's annoying to me to be called a troll or "Jamel" myself? Get over it! You are NOT a god!
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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"What would the definition of a typical 9 year old be"? Sorry SSreporters that's still too young for you to pursue? WTF are you trying to get at?
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SSreportersLegend
655 days ago
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Well....when you act like a troll, and have the traits of a previous troll, then maybe you are that previous troll. And as far as typical 9 year old....you haven't answered my question. Define a typical 9 year old.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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(Ignore SSreporters) A "typical 9 year old"- what? go fackin google that if you want. I'm not into that kind of shit.
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SSreportersLegend
655 days ago
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See, you like to say (ignore x), yet you never do! I'm talking fitness and medical gunk and whatnot...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
655 days ago
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Another good article Frank. Keep 'em coming. One thing I wonder about is how many young kids are doing this kind of stuff. I know I never lifted weights until middle school and it was optional for us to do so. I couldn't imagine making a 9 year old lift weights.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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According to my buddy who is the ortho, Dr "Jamel" but will no longer be unless you guys piss me off, he is seeing more and more of this crap so I'm thinking more and more young kids are lifting. I'm not 100% against it, I'm just against maxing out, using machines, using barbells,.... I guess I'm alright with using dumbells and no benches, switch over to physioball work. But in all honesty I think better time could be used with working on mechanics, working on playing other sports and developing their skills, and REST!!!!!!
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Steel TownDraft Pick
655 days ago
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I lied. I just remembered an exercise my dad had me do when I was in little league. It was a 2-1/2 lb. weight with a 2-3 foot string attached to it. The other end of the string was tied in the center of 1-2 foot dowel rod. I would hold the rod strait out and rotate it until the wieght had risen all the way to the rod. Then I would spin the rod in the opposite direction and the weight would go down and back up again.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Increase wrist strength. Did that in hockey. It's a good exercise for all kids to do.
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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That work out is great for baseball, considering baseball is all in the wrists!
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Baseball is all about 'roids, hgh, and B-12 injections.. didn't you get the notice? It's also all about the *
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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lol...I hope though, that in a few years baseball will be clean of all that. For the sake of america's past time.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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I thought america's past time was drinking beer.
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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Well not really...but thatis a great past time at that!
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Drinking beer at a strip club? Sound better to you?
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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I got a few months till that ;]
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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A few months should give us enough time to gather the armchairgm troops and throw you a great bash! Who's in?
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Lastly, which I know might confuse some here lifting HEAVY weights have been theorized to hurt the growth plates and even close them early. Again, my pitching article and changing growth plates had to do with repetition, not heaviness, which could alter them.
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Agent0Red-Shirting
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I heard that also when I was younger and I enver lifted weights, to this day I have done some very minor lifting hoping to reach my goal of being 6 foot...I am 5 11, so its worked for me...I know guys that lifted like mad through grades 6-12 and their are shrimps but hten there are guys that lifted from grades 6-12 and are HUGE (Height and Thickness) so really I think its genetics, but I am no docotr so who knows
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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I'm not really buying into that theory but it is a theory neverless. I think you would have to lift EXTREMELY heavy in order for it to be a factor.... but hey if it prevents kids from lifting like this leading to other potential problems let them believe it.
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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Yea...I agree, it would have to be extreme lifting to stunt growth...what about caffeine? People say that stunts growth too, but I drink a but load of soda, lol...I think these are just "stories" to get your kids not to drink soda and all that jazz.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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My parents use to tell me that smokin pot stunted growth.....same with masturbation, alcohol, not doing your homework, skipping school, acid...
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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lol...my mom still tells me masturbation stunts the growth.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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It's better than impregnanting some nasty ho at your school. That's what I told my mom when she found my nudy mags. The memories.... makes me cry. After I told her that she went and bought me the new Playboy :)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
655 days ago
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For a radiologist, you sure spend a lot of time discussing sports medicine and physical rehabilitation. Do you work in a sports oriented medical practice or something?
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Tyrone, I'm an independent now. My buddy is an ortho who specializes in sports medicine. He sends me all his cases. The other doctor's range from field to field. I also work with 2 MRI centers who send me their films to read. My buddy is a rehab dude who again specializes in sports medicine. Dr "Jamel" refers to "Bryant" who is the physcial therapist/rehab guy. I was also a huge gym rate before my kid so I know some stuff.
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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Another great article Frank! Love reading your stuff.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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What's the point of this comment Manny?
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Sorry I meant to post this here.

What's the point of your comment Manny?

2 words for you: Grow up.

(Ignore Manny Stiles).

Go write another article about the Rays.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
655 days ago
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Agent0 is Manny??
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Yeah yeah yeah I screwed up again on where I wanted to post my comment. But arent' we all "Manny"? What if we are all Manny's split personalities and really it's only him on armchairgm arguing with himself?
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EkomVarsity
655 days ago
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Yeah. What if....???
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
655 days ago
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JFC, I just realized that every single user here at ArmchairGM is Mr. Stiles!

This is something out of the Twilight Zone...

That means Frank is Manny, Manny is Frank.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Tyrone is Frank who is Manny who is Frank who is Tyrone....
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Actually I think we are all "DNL"
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
655 days ago
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Maybe we all the share the same "DNL"? Deep stuff here...
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LASportsblogAAA-er
655 days ago
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I knew it was only a matter of time until we saw EKom again! The danky must of arrived in PHX this weekend.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
655 days ago
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not so much, LA...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
655 days ago
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1) Enough with the intent to stir trouble with the lightning rod names, "Doctor". The first two sentences of this article were completely unneccessary except to show your overt trollism. Just tell the story. (I only read the first two sentences before deciding it sucked to much to read on...

2) You don't have that many friends...

3) When can we get some articles from you that aren't about 7-9 year olds? You're starting to concern me...

4) Have a great day, everyone else!
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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here we go again :]
LCA! Lights, Cameras Action! This user is starting to realize all the great drama we have here at ArmChairGM and he thinks we should start a Romeo & Juliet like play.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
655 days ago
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There's no drama here... it's an ambien put to words.
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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ambien? remember my tiny vocab Manny :]
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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I want to make a fanbox saying "We are all Manny Stiles". A little help?
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LASportsblogAAA-er
655 days ago
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I'm going to try to be as mature as I can about this: Frank, your finally writing interesting stuff here the last few times out. However, the blantant patronizing is getting annoying. Jamel, Jam-Jam, Pablo - the in-your-face openings are unprovked jabs that I feel are directly focused on myself and several other users. You ever notice how Hank Aaron always acted like he was suppose to be at the top once he got there? Practice some of Hank Aaron's character traits and act like you deserve to be here (since you are proving you have a place) instead of continuing to show what makes you seperate.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Trying to prove a point. And if you FEEL like they are blantant jabs are yourself than that's your problem. Not sure why are feel this way unless you have gone on the record and said I am those people. And "everyone" deserves to be here LAsportsblog.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
655 days ago
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Of course everyone deseves to be here Frank. I'm just telling you what I see and what I feel the best was I can. Your welcome to disagree, your welcome to show me where I am wrong. You can ask any old head here, I'll always be the first to reconsider my position on something or debate with you civilly if your also willing to. Like I said, your showing us where you fit, so fit, don't keep pointing out the differances, unless you can't let it go - which the would be a you problem as well.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
655 days ago
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"Everyone" deserves to be here? REALLY?

Where is Leslie Montiero and Kenrick Thomas, Barron and Roc, MLN sports and all the other users that have been bullied away?

You don't get it Jamel. You are a troll.

READ THE THREAD AGAIN- how many of your comments are personal and how many are topical. You are a troll - plain and simple.

You denigrate everything you touch. Like a King Midas but instead of gold it turns to garbage,

Wallow in your kingdom of garbage, King Troll. (and all that associate with you are equals in my book)

I want nothing to do with your malicious behavior. You add nothing and take away everything good.

Congratulations, you win.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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I'm fine. It's just that MANY people here on armchairgm are HYPOCRITICAL bastards. If I pulled the crap that others pull here I'd be banned yet others are allowed to get away with it without any reprocussions. Most things I do here are done on purpose and to prove a point. Most goes over people's heads- like the Baseball is Awesome or whatever article. That was written to prove a point. Anyway, I'll think about your suggestions.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Manny, Don't you seriously have other things to do? Go onto the locker room and air your grievances. You got issues.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
655 days ago
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I apperciate your not writing me off.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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Remind me again of why this comment by Manny is allowed here at armchairgm?
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LASportsblogAAA-er
655 days ago
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Now, to comment on the article content - I believe in NO weightlifting for any child under 14, especially when rehabing an injury. I support cardio cross training using hills and similar height/weight teammates as resistance. I am under the belief that weight training for children under 14 will cause disporportinal growth that could effect how their body goes through puberty and adolence. My job as a coach is to develop children in to better overall individuals, and having them weightlift that young in no way accomplishes that goal.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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You know any coaches who do have young kids weight training?
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LASportsblogAAA-er
655 days ago
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like you said in your article, I've also talked to coaches who believe if getting kids big as young as possible, ususally football coaches naturally.

Some use excuses like "if he ever wants to be a D1 linemen he needs to bulk up as quick as possible."

My rebuttal: "Ever think the kid will hit puberty and grow into a quarterback or safety?" We try to develop kids into certain roles too early and stunt their overall growth and development, and it does more harm then good.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
655 days ago
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I would love to debate with someone who is pro lifting heavy for young kids.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
655 days ago
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There is little debate. Usually coaches who go that route are already egotistical and rediculous. Think about it, if you are making kids 10 and younger you free weights to lift - you already have issues I can't talk out of you. Moreover, this is for every parent who pays to put their kid in a sport club, soccer, hockey, basketball, baseball whatever. Check with your states sports association and make sure your coaches are properly trained and certified in Risk Mangement and have the required classes and expeirence to train your child in whatever sport they are in. It is vital to make sure that you are passing your kid on to someone who will look out for their overall betterment.
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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Here you go Frank

Everyone. We are all Manny Stiles.
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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http://www.a...yer_Fan_Tags
Go There
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
655 days ago
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Is that neccessary? Besides, take the "every" part of it away...
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LASportsblogAAA-er
655 days ago
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I don't concur with this at all! If anything, we are all Pean!
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Agent0Red-Shirting
655 days ago
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IDK what that meant...Frank just asked for it. I wouldn't mind being Manny though :] I could use the extra enthusiasm
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