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Sj-hypocycloid
Mike Frangione has engaged himself in the noble calling of sportswriting over the years (1991-1997, and again in 2007), enjoying two stints covering (stringing) High School sports for my local newspaper in South Jersey. That was a great learning experience and also a great deal of fun.

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Not A Bad Pitching Staff

by Sj-hypocycloid
created March 15, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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As spring training winds down, an air of inevitability will soon settle over Pittsburgh and its fans. Hope will most likely quickly  be replaced with resignation and indifference and fans counting the days until football training camp begins.

It's really a shame what has become of the Pittsburgh Pirates. From the lofty highs of World Series wins in 1971 and 1979, to the current state of affairs.

Since their 1992 NL East Division title (the third of three consecutive titles), they've not had a winning season - a stretch of 15 seasons. At the zenith, they won 79 games in 1997 and at the nadir, they lost 100 games in 2001. Quite a reversal for this once proud franchise that had won 98 games in 1991.

They've had some great players throughout the years from Honus Wagner, Paul Waner, Lloyd Waner, Arky Vaughan, Ralph Kiner, Roberto Clemente, Bill Mazeroski, Willie Stargell, Dave "The Cobra" Parker, and Barry Bonds. And that's just the hitters.

The pitching names aren't as well known (at least not to me), but here are a few men who've thrown some heat for the Buccos: Jack Chesbro, Rip Sewell, Roy Face, Bob Veale, Steve Blass, John Candelaria, and Doug Drabek.

But these names are lost in time and may as well be a thousand years in the past to any Pirate fan.

And yet, for two years - 1998 and 1999 - they had pitchers that, if they had been retained, might have been able to help bring winning back to the Steel City. Obviously, this did not happen. But it's a great what if...

Here are four pitchers who toiled for the Buccos at some point in either the 1998 or 1999 season, or both:

  • Jason Schmidt (1998, 1999)
  • Jon Lieber (1998)
  • Esteban Loaiza (1998)
  • Kris Benson (1999)

Many would argue that out of these pitchers, only Schmidt has put together consistently good years, and this would be a fair argument. Schmidt has a 128-94 overall record, and in 2003 he had a pretty good season: 17-5, 208 K, 2.34 ERA.

Lieber (129-121 overall) had a nice 2001 season: 20-6, 3.80 ERA and he's been a fairly solid pitcher over the years.

Loaiza put together a masterful 21-9, 207 K, 2.90 ERA campaign in 2003 for a second place White Sox team two years away from winning the World Series.

And Benson has been a middle-of-the-road pitcher, earning 10-12 wins per season since entering the league. Nothing spectacular or flashy, but enough to nail down a fourth starter role on a mediocre to decent team.

What's the point of this? It's the what if. The potential.

What if the Pirates had been able to keep this staff together? They all showed flashes of pitching ability that could have blossomed into some quality pitching. Unfortunately, financial considerations have not really been the Pirates stock-in-trade and each pitcher moved on before having their breakout seasons.

Overall, these pitchers clearly don't measure up to pitchers such as Pedro Martinez, Curt Schilling, Randy Johnson, Andy Pettitte, Roger "misremember" Clemens, Barry Zito, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, and so on.

But for the Pirates, they'd have been world beaters. At least they might have been able to work with decent hitters like Jason Kendall, Brian Giles, Aramis Ramirez, and Jose Guillen to fend off 15 losing seasons.

One more sub .500 season and the Buccos will tie the 1933-1948 Philadelphia Phillies for the dubious distinction of having the the longest team losing streak in baseball history.

If recent history is any indicator, the Phillies will probably not be a solo act for much longer.

Background source and clarification reference: http://www.baseball-reference.com and The Philadelphia Inquirer.


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Bobbyjim45Draft Pick
606 days ago
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I dunno if that would've been a good enough rotation to even get them over .500. Schmidt was solid, but unless you caught Lieber and Loaiza on just the right year, they are nothing better than average. It's sad to see the Pirates do the same thing every year. Good article.
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RomiezzoLegend
606 days ago
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The reason why the Pirates are so bad isn't because of their pitching. They have Tom Gorzelanny and Ian Snell for that. That's two good pitchers in the starting rotation. Plus, they've got 2 25 year olds in Paul Maholm and Zach Duke, who are developing.

The key thing that they need to focus on is hitting. Last year, only two players were able to hit .279 or above. Besides Jason Bay and Adam LaRocher (both with 21 homers), no one on the Pirates hit 14 or more home runs. That Pirates really need someone who can hit for power. At least 30 homers. C'mon! They need those guys, like Jason Bay, to come up big this season. Sanchez is doing his job by getting on base, collecting 183 hits last year, but someone needs to drive him in.

That's what I think about the Pirates.

Good article.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
606 days ago
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Good points. I was more focusing in on the pitching that could have been. But they have more problems than can likely be solved any time soon. This streak could reach 20 before we know it.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
604 days ago
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Steve Pearce with 4 home runs this spring may help if they don't send him down to minors.
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