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Nash no longer a top 5 point guard

by Jakeblloyd
created April 30, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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As I watched the San Antonio Spurs slip past the Phoenix Suns in a mere five games, I couldn't take my eyes off the teams' starting point guards.

On one end, San Antonio's Tony Parker caused endless headaches for the Suns with his interminable dribbling and drives to the basket. As a TNT announcer stated correctly, with Parker and sixth man Manu Ginobili, it was as if the Spurs had two additional post-up players to Tim Duncan.

On the other end, there was Steve Nash. Just the name can be enough to scare opponents, but the player didn't live up to his reputation as one of the NBA's best point guards during the series.

On defense, Nash was a liability, continuously letting the slippery Parker penetrate the lane. Granted, Parker can do that against most opposing players, but Nash hardly made him work. And offensively, Nash was a shell of his former self, especially in the Spurs' clinching Game 5 win.

In the final minutes, he committed three costly turnovers -- getting stripped by old man Robert Horry, throwing a pass at Amare Stoudemire's feet, and allowing Bruce Bowen to deflect an inbounds pass off his hands. Nash made just four of 16 shots and had more turnovers (5) than assists (3).

Now that's a shocking statistic.

Rewind a year ago. Several media members were clamoring for Nash to become just the fourth NBA player -- ever -- to win three consecutive MVP awards. Even with up-and-coming studs such as Deron Williams and Chris Paul filling the highlight reels, Nash was easily considered the league's top point guard.

Since then, nothing has been easy for the 2005 and '06 MVP. Now, a case could be built that he's not even a top five P.G. Think about it. Paul has clearly taken the No. 1 spot with his MVP-caliber season. Williams is up there along with Parker. Chauncey Billups remains an elite player for the Pistons, and a case can be made that Golden State's Baron Davis is better than Nash.

It's been a quick fall from grace. Of course, ask the worldly Nash about his spot on the list, and he'd deflect the question. All he cares about is his team getting the huge "never been to an NBA Finals" monkey of its back. And Phoenix was extremely competitive against the defending league champions.

But two of the four San Antonio wins -- Games 1 and 5 -- were decided by a few plays, and as Nash admitted late Tuesday night, his team didn't make the big plays. That responsibility has to fall on the point guard, the pronounced leader of the team, the guy who has the ball in his hands at crunch time.

Nash can't be blamed for all of his team's miseries. Consider the transformation the Suns have gone through since they dealt wingman Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks to Miami for Shaquille O'Neal. They used to be a run-n'-gun team. Heck, a book was written about them trying to shoot on each possession as quickly as possible.

During the series, however, the announcers actually said -- and were right -- that the Spurs were the team that wanted to push the ball. The Suns wanted to play a half-court game?

As much as Nash welcomed O'Neal to Phoenix, he had to know that it's much easier to score in transition than in a set offense against a ready defense. The trade was more about defense, and believe it or not, the Suns gradually become a more effective half-court defensive team -- though O'Neal still can't guard a pick-and-roll.

The trade hurt Nash's offensive production. He still put up decent numbers, but his assists and points dipped a little bit. It's much easier finding an open man who's streaking down the right side on the fast break than trying to zip a bounce pass through a defender's legs.

And it was clear Tuesday that the Suns aren't completely comfortable in their offensive system. As Nash said afterward, the Spurs knew exactly what they wanted to do on every trip down the floor. The Suns didn't, and players often were not in the proper positions to give Phoenix the best chance to score. This was evident in the final minute, when a posting-up Boris Diaw threw the ball away when he was double-teamed.

Diaw will be blamed for the terrible pass, but the fact that both Stoudemire and O'Neal were in the paint, clogging up any chance of a pass for an easy score, didn't help Diaw. He didn't have a good play to make. All he could have done was throw the ball back out to the perimeter to reset the offense.

Now comes another long summer for the Suns, this one even more protracted than those of the past three years when they at least advanced to the second round. If everyone, including O'Neal, returns, it will be a positive chunk of time off. The players can really work on their chemistry and learning each others' games.

But it shouldn't be glossed over that with each missed opportunity, the 34-year-old Nash becomes a year older.

As this early exit demonstrated, Nash might still be a very good point guard, but he's no longer Mr. Automatic every night.

And his major off night Tuesday was a major reason why Phoenix -- just like that -- is no longer playing in these NBA playoffs.


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TrizzAll-American
559 days ago
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Oooh I know I know pick me pick me
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TrizzAll-American
559 days ago
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go ahead Trizz
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TrizzAll-American
559 days ago
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thats because he never was a top 5 PG
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SSreportersLegend
559 days ago
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Herschel, is that you?
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
559 days ago
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I'm not sure if Nash has completly fallen out of the list of top 5 pg's in the NBA, but I think he is slipping. More importantly, I think this years playoffs are proving to be very pivital for the future of the NBA. What I mean is, this season is proving to be the pass of the torch type of year.

Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Shaq all of these guys were the standard for greatness for the last decade, yet now in their mid to late 30's they are on the tail end of their career and they are watching their younger counterparts pass them right before their eyes.

Chris Paul, Tony Parker,Josh Howard and Deron Williams are putting their stamp on the league and proving they are ready to step in and be the next generation.
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Jerjets11JV Squad
559 days ago
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I'm not sure why this guy draws so much flack. Maybe if he had a better tan?

Steve Nash is a future Hall Of Famer. His ability to draw defenses and pass, plus his ready shot and team-first attitude make him a truly great player. Where he ranks among other point guards is always only a matter of opinion.

He was flat-out robbed of an NBA title last year by this same bunch of San Antonio punks. I hold none of this against him. I'd rather have Nash than Tony Parker any day of the week.
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Davis21wylieMVP
558 days ago
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Nash of last night was essentially no different than Nash of the past 3-4 years. If you're just now figuring out that he's a defensive liability, then you haven't been playing attention. They traded away Nash's 2nd-best running mate for an old, washed-up center who couldn't have been a worse fit for their system, under the delusion that it would somehow allow them to keep up with the Spurs -- precisely the team that knocked them out of the playoffs. Nash made many tough shots down the stretch last night, and the turnovers were more his teammates putting him in a position to fail (especially that inbounds with Bowen all over him). Nash is still who he is, who he's always been: a great shooter, a great passer, an outstanding offensive PG who thrives in transition, and a poor defender. If it isn't good enough for you now, why was it good enough for an MVP 3 years ago?
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
558 days ago
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Well put. The actual difference of Nash of Last night and Nash of 3 years ago is Sean Marion. Yes I said it. In the past Marion was the Suns best parimiter defender, and he would check Ginobli which left Raja Bell to check Parker. When Marion left, it meant Bell bounces over to Ginobli and Nash who has been a defensive liability his whole career is left guarding a 22 yr old speedy Tony Parker and he couldnt keep up.
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KelsdadAll-Star
558 days ago
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It's hard to formulate a solid argument considering the Suns got bounced in the first round, but they are a much better team, both on the floor and in the lockerroom, without Shawn Marion. And that is without consideration to his 17 million option for next season. Bitching and whining about Amare's touches, about not being a focal point of the offense, about D'Antoni consulting Nash and Amare' on team issues instead of him, basically, he's a pain in the ass. What did he do in Miami? Nothing. And this is a team that won 15 games.

People outside Phoenix complain about D'Antoni's rotation, or lack thereof, but one has to realize with Marion's contract, (and the equally stupid contracts given to Boris Diaw and Leandro Barbosa) the Suns can't afford to have a bench. Finding a bunch of stiffs (Brian Skinner, Eric Piatkowski) who are willing to play for the veteran's minimum is all you can hope for.

D'Antoni likely won't be fired as the Suns still owe him two years and 8.5 million, there was quite a bit of speculation both on radio and in this mornings paper that he will resign.
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SSreportersLegend
558 days ago
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No, it's been confirmed D'Antoni and Avery Johnson are gone.
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Davis21wylieMVP
558 days ago
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Better in the locker room? Probably. Better on the floor? No f*cking way.
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KelsdadAll-Star
558 days ago
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They still lose in the first round, Davis. And Amare at the four is a far better option than with him at the five. Short term there's no difference, because Nash would still be cleaning out his locker today, long term it's not even a discussion.
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Davis21wylieMVP
558 days ago
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Like BigPP said, though, defensively Marion brought a lot to the table... Frankly, Phoenix should have beaten San Antonio last year, and with that same core this season they were a better team than the Spurs. Simply put, if they keep Marion, there's a good chance they're still playing right now, either by getting a better seed and drawing a team other than the Spurs in Round 1, or by beating San Antonio themselves. Too bad we'll never know, because Steve Kerr saw fit to come in and destroy the most beautiful offensive basketball experiment the NBA has seen in years.
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KelsdadAll-Star
558 days ago
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You're right, the Suns should have beat the Spurs last year, but it was because of Kurt Thomas, not Shawn Marion.

The Suns were (are) a poor defensive team, Marion or not. In their 26 losses this season, they blew a double digit lead in 14 of them, eight of them with Marion. No one is doubting Marion's defense or rebounding, he is however a soft offensive player, and one of the main reasons why the Suns "beautiful offensive basketball experiment" couldn't deliver a title was Shawn Marion.

And it wouldn't have made a pile of crap difference whether the Suns had a better seed, the only team they could have beaten was Houston. So they win the first round and get beat the second, no difference, because there is still no ring.

One thing the Marion deal proved, however, is that Boris Diaw and Leandro Barbosa are not NBA players. In a 15-20 minute reserve role they can hold their own, in a 30-35 minute role where their performance impacts the final score, their overall weaknesses were exposed. And with both having two years and 20 something million remaining on their deals, the Suns are going to have to deal with them, and lose two roster spots in the meantime.
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KelsdadAll-Star
558 days ago
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Who confirmed D'Antoni is gone? Nothing on the Suns website, nothing on ESPN or Yahoo, and considering I live in Phoenix, nothing on the radio or TV as yet. If it's true, then SS you just scooped the fifth largest city in America.
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Ccampbell34All-American
558 days ago
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One playoff series doesn't make a player fall out of the top five, if that was the case, your own Chauncey Billups would be falling from grace
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NBA SuperblogVarsity
555 days ago
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It's true that Nash has struggled in the post-season, but it's still very difficult to find 5 better point guards in the NBA. He is a two-time MVP (one of the few PG's to ever win MVP), he was #2 in assists (11 APG) this year, and he still averaged 17 PPG. I doubt many coaches or GM's would rank Baron Davis, Tony Parker, or Deron Williams ahead of Nash, and least not yet.
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