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Mr Lister: 10 Cities that probably deserve a Pro Sports Team

by Mr Lister and Manny Stiles
created April 24, 2009, last edited July 14, 2009
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Not complicated. These are the 10 cities in North America with zero current MLB, NFL, NBA or NHL teams that probably deserve a team whether through relocation or eventual expansion.

Here's the 10 that just miss the cut... though not really. No particular order:

Des Moines, Iowa
Fresno, California
Tucson, Arizona
Providence, Rhode Island
Winnipeg, Manitoba
El Paso, Texas
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Austin, Texas
Albuquerque, New Mexico
Little Rock, Arkansas


10. Birmingham, Alabama - Birmingham has been home to several pro football teams from several different leagues and football tradition runs deep in Alabama. In fact, Birmingham was home for a season to a Canadian Football League team, the Barracudas! Though none of Birmingham's early attempts at pro football were very successful, it was due more to the draw of college football and mismanagement than whether or not the area could sustain a franchise. The NFL would have little problem providing a quality, sustainable product in the heart of Dixie. Plus the city would create an instant rivalry with the Titans, Falcons, Saints, Panthers and the three Floridian teams.

9. Albany, New York - If Buffalo can get two pro franchises, why can't Albany get one? It's a stone's throw from Springfield, Mass, where basketball originated and Hall of Fame resides. It's a well thrown stone's throw from Cooperstown, New York where baseball's origins allegedly occured and Hall of Fame resides. Albany has a decent media market and like Hartford (#8) could draw from two huge, overflowing, existing fan bases in Boston and New York City.

8. Hartford, Connecticut - Hartford has already had one hockey team stolen away. Connecticut's capital also once was home to a pro baseball team... in the 1870's. It was also once home to an NFL franchise... in 1926. But because it's smack dab between Boston and New York, it's a great location to plant a new franchise to draw from both bases where over-priced tickets crowd out an otherwise fertile market. The area is loaded with fans that know their stuff, show their pride and are addicted to sports of all variety. A savvy, business-wise owner could capitalize easily in such a location, regardless of the sport. Even the WNBA does pretty good just miles east of Hartford. The only thing keeping a team out of Hartford (and/or Albany) is greedy owners afraid of having their market share crimped.

7. San Juan, Puerto Rico - The capital of the unofficial 51st United State, San Juan has hosted a pro team before when the vagabond Les Expos stayed part of a season in town prior to reincarnating themselves as the Nationals. San Juan has a metro area population around 2 million people, but could theoretically draw more from Florida and other Carribean islands. It's not a prime candidate for a NFL or NHL team but a MLB or NBA team there in the distant future is not unthinkable.

6. Boise, Idaho - Geographically, Boise could corner a huge chunk of the map from Seattle to San Francisco to Denver. There is a rabid sports fanbase there and the region is growing. Boise is bigger and has much nicer weather than you think. The thing that hurts it as a viable market is the lack of a surrounding metropolitan area. Twin Falls, ID? Pocatello, ID? Walla Walla, WA? Bend, OR? Reno, NV?... these places are pretty far away - and not that much of a lucrative addition. But

5. Louisville, Kentucky - Louisville already was home to a Major League Baseball team as well as an ABA team in the early 70's. It's a sports Mecca every May for the Kentucky Derby and has a rich sporting heritage as the birthplace of Mr. Cassius Clay plus a metro population well over 1 million. The state of Kentucky loves sports. The downside is it's proximity to Cincinnati, but a basketball team would certainly be loved and appreciated in Kentucky.

4. Omaha, Nebraska - Omaha is already home to College Baseball World Series and could draw fans from all over the Upper Plains as well as not-so-far-away Lincoln. People of the area are diehard fans and are often noted for their travels to such "hometown teams" as the Broncos, Chiefs, Vikings and Rams in the NFL or Rockies, Royals, Twins or Cardinals in MLB. University of Nebraska alrady pulls crowds larger than any pro team and their following travels with them where ever they go. Nebraska sports fans deserve a pro team if only as a menial diversion from the drudgery of tolerating life in Nebraska (just kidding, y'all).

3. Mexico City, Mexico - Mexico City is the most populated city and metropolitan area in North America. Yes, it's larger than even the Big Apple and more than twice the size of Chicago. Considering there are 8 cities in Mexico with a greater population than Detroit, it only makes sense to start with the biggest city first. The only downside to locating a franchise in Mexico City besides language, social, cultural or political issues, the elevation (over 2,000 ft more than Denver) and monetary exchange and tax rates is the travel. Mexico City is quite a hike from most Northeast U.S. cities. The NFL could make it anywhere with a franchise and has already hosted a regular season game there; which was a tremendous sellout. With 19+ million people in the area, it could probably sustain a NHL franchise for a few seasons on curious interest alone.

2. Norfolk, Virginia - Believe it or not, Norfolk is North America's largest media market without a pro sports team; ahead of such two franchise cities like Charlotte, Cincinnati, New Orleans and Buffalo. Richmond, Roanoke and Newport News are also within a reasonable vicinity of Norfolk and are each in the top 100 media markets as well. Geographically, it's far enough away from Washington, Baltimore and Charlotte to make a reasonable argument for inclusion. Rumors have stirred about a baseball team relocating to the region in the past but seem to have been blown dead by the move of the Expos to Washington. Perhaps a basketball franchise in the future would make sense? The NHL loves southern cities and the NFL would have a difficult time convincing Dan Snyder and Art Modell to lend some territory to another franchise.

1. Las Vegas, Nevada - Heads above and beyond all the other cities on the list. It's inevitable. The city could build immaculate arenas, stadiums, whatever in no time. Vegas has previously served as home to the USFL, CFL and several other pro sports leagues. There's a large population, plenty of tourist dollars, favorable location to attract players... Yes, there is concerns over gambling, game fixing, etc. but there are measures that are simple and easy to overcome that. Where there's money, there's a way. Pro teams hold exhibitions there routinely, it's a matter of time before games that count are played there.

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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
202 days ago
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What? No Honolulu? =)

Norfolk? I ain't against it - but they better have a kickass team name with a sweet logo... we don't need any more weakly designed crap in sports. That area definitely pumps out the pro talent though.

Hmmm... this reminds me. I need to wake up the NASFL.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
202 days ago
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ummm... NASFL?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
202 days ago
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What about Gotham City or Metropolis? :-)
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DeutscherRed-Shirting
202 days ago
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If anyone puts a team in Las Vegas it will be the NHL, they are pretty loosey goosey with ownership rules and don't really mind gambling all that much.


Also just missing the cut Hamilton, Quebec city and the suburbs of Toronto. Oh Fort McMurray could probably support a team but would the team show up? NO not a chance.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
202 days ago
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Why isn't there already two hockey teams in Toronto, anyway?
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DeutscherRed-Shirting
202 days ago
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Because that would mean that the Leafs would have to become A)Competitive and B)Less lucrative. MLS is so against the idea they recruit Buffalo to scream no and bully the other owners into saying no.
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Davis21wylieMVP
202 days ago
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Maybe they relocate the Coyotes there to make it easier for Wayne Gretzky's wife?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
202 days ago
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There's a hockey team in Toronto?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
202 days ago
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Yes, Rawb... the Maple Leafs really are a hockey team and not a pleasantly clad bunch of high speed curlers.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
202 days ago
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Do they know the rules? Like putting pucks into nets, and stopping them from going into nets?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
202 days ago
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(shrugs shoulders)
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CheezerAll-Star
202 days ago
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This user is a Curling fan.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
202 days ago
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Next year, all the curling you can eat baby!
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DeutscherRed-Shirting
202 days ago
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Rawb the curlers know the rules yeah but the Leafs well...


We just had the briar and the worlds, I am curled right out. Damm you Kevin Martin for losing to Scotland!
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Steel TownDraft Pick
202 days ago
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You got deutscher, Ft. McMurray. You are the only other person I have heard mention it. They have a sh*t ton of money and they are like a 6 hour drive from nearest NHL city. They would have natural rivals in Calgary and Edmonton.
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
202 days ago
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Diluting the league? None of these cities deserve pro sports team and some cities who currently have them probably do not either... Phoenix, Oklahoma City and Columbus are all cities that can't handle the heat...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
202 days ago
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outside of maybe a hockey team in Hartford and a baseball team or soccer team in Mexico city I don't think any of these cities should have a pro team.
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Davis21wylieMVP
202 days ago
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Adding teams to undeserving cities is the reason why the NHL went so far downhill in the 90s, the reason there was a lockout, and the reason the playoffs are relegated to Versus.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
201 days ago
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http://en.wi...d_rapids,_mi No love? Bigger metro area and population than many on your list.
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SchmiggyJKJV Squad
201 days ago
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FFS, why is it so hard for this site to keep people logged in. That was me above. Grand Rapids has sizeable population and West Michigan is pretty huge when you toss in Kalazmazoo (Western Michigan University), Muskegon, etc. We already have minor league baseball, hockey, arena football, etc.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
199 days ago
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Where do we start. First, bad premise. Most of these cities have "pro" sports teams. Not major league teams, but pro. AHL, Pacific Coast League. Top minor league, but not major.

Now, let get to your picks, as I've worked them for 10 years.

Birmingham: The black hole of sports franchises. The ABA started there back in the day and cursed the town. The BJCC has hosted basketball, hockey, etc. The Barons are the only thing that stays, and even on a good day a Major League team could not make money here.

Omaha's Triple-A baseball team, the Royals, is moving to the suburbs because they can't fill the big new college stadium going up. Major league? Hardly.

Hartford: The AHL Hartford Wolf Pack (Rangers) seats pretty well but you would never get a team bigger in there as the Whalers found out the hard way. The old ABA team there likewise collapsed.

Boise has the D-League Idaho Stampede, the AA Boise Hawks (Angels) and they had a hockey club. Rabid fans, true, but not enough of them to be a major league town.

Mexico City is interesting, save for the fact that it presents all of the visa problems and if the Canadians are just dicey the movement of paid players between here and Mexico is slow and problematic. The ABA (minor league) ran into difficulties with visas and travel. There is also the current violence problems which for high-profile atheletes is not a plus.

Your number one is coming up...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
199 days ago
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Hartford could fill their seats for hockey, especially when Boston, or one of the New York teams came to town. But getting a lucrative TV deal? That would be hard.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
199 days ago
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For Vegas, I'm just wondering if you dropped by Mayor Oscar Goodman's office and partook of the same crack pipe that he seems to be smoking.

Here are a few of the challenges with a major league team in Las Vegas:

Basic Sell - Too many things to do in Vegas. College sports attract the locals and a few visitors, but in general major league sports in a town with that much vying for the dollar are going to be a tough sell. Minor league teams are a good bellwether of future major league attendance. Hockey (ECHL Wranglers) survives at the Orleans Hotel's small ice rink. Pro basketball at the Thomas & Mack has died badly several times. Baseball functions (Las Vegas 51s - Toronto) barely.

AFL Football tried to work there. The Gladiators marched out of town. In Colorado they sell out. In Vegas you could hear the crickets.

Baseball is Oscar's dream. He stood up at the minor league version of the Winter Meetings in Las Vegas last December and said "What Las Vegas needs is a Major League team" with the owners and GM of the 51s sitting about 10 feet in front of him.

He wasn't afforded the ability to say the same thing to the Major League owners because they don't want Vegas. They enjoy a nice anti-trust exemption that makes them the only federally allowed monopoly in the United States. Gambling interests want a piece of everything that goes into Vegas. You plant a team there, they get a piece of the action. The proximity to gambling, long a big taboo with MLB is a bad idea. Add in the heat, the distractions, and it has been a no go every time that it has been floated.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
199 days ago
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The real answer to the question, based on these funny things called box office numbers would be:

Baseball:

Top three markets for a major league team: 1. Sacramento - King of the minor league box office numbers. They could take the Athletics, who want out of Oakland, quite easily, and still only be an hour away for the die-hards who want to follow the club. Right now on the high-likely list since Oakland wants to relocate close to its current home base.

2. Memphis - Next biggest market for baseball's Triple-A. The downtown stadium could be upgraded to major league standing with about 30,000 seats and probably pull it off. The Triple-A Redbirds (Cardinals) do 11,000 without much problem.

3. Indianapolis - The only major league sport that they don't have is baseball. Their Indians (Pirates) do well in the summer and their current stadium is located right at the end of the downtown hotel strip. If it weren't for the Colts building that new ballpark, I would say that it was another shoe-in spot for the soon-to-be wandering Athletics.

Of your other choices on the "just missed" list you had better luck than your actual picks. Austin will be major-league ready within the next decade. They have an AHL hockey club going into town next year (Stars), one of the best Triple-A parks (Dell Diamond) run by the Ryan (Nolan) family, and a D-League basketball franchise (Toros). Not there yet, but close.

Albuquerque is a minor league market but the way that the Isotopes (Dodgers) seat they were actually beating their old parent club, the Marlins on game-to-game regular attendance.

The rest are all minor league towns, particularly Tucson which could not sustain its Triple-A club and lost it to Reno, and Tulsa which has a Double-A baseball and hockey franchise which is about as good as it gets.

Some of these bergs don't even have the right air corridors to interest a major league club.
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