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Maybe The Phillies Should Just Concede Now. Or Not.

by Phils Phan Scott
created March 30, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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With everything I’m hearing from the so-called experts about the mighty Mets, the defending NL East champion Phillies should just stay home. Some pundits even predict the Phillies can’t keep up with the Braves.

Yes, the Mets added Johan Santana, the best starting pitcher in baseball. News flash: While this move will surely improve the Mets, it was an act of desperation by a GM who realizes the window is quickly closing on this aging, fragile team’s chance to win a World Series.

Besides Santana, the Mets added Ryan Church and Brian Schneider. Think the fans in Flushing would like to see Lastings Milledge, the formerly untouchable prospect who once could have been traded for top flight starting pitching, manning one of the corner outfield positions right about now?

Meanwhile, the Phillies made a huge upgrade offensively and defensively at third base with Pedro Feliz. They’ll replace Aaron Rowand's career year on offense with Geoff Jenkins and Jayson Werth, while Shane Victorino has a better arm and more range in centerfield.

Say what you want about the Phillies rotation, but the Mets have nothing but question marks after Johan Santana. The Phillies didn't have the prospects or resources to acquire and sign Santana, so they traded for Brad Lidge and put Brett Myers, who is better than any free agent pitcher that was available, back in the rotation. With Cole Hamels, the Phillies now have two young studs forming a formidable 1-2 punch that every playoff team has at the top of the rotation, while Pedro Martinez is a six-inning pitcher and a lock to miss at least five starts.

Kyle Kendrick went 10-4 with a 3.84 ERA over 20 starts, including many at hitter-friendly Citizens Bank Park. Jamie Moyer is still very steady, he pitched a gem in the playoffs when it mattered most, and he’s valuable off the field as a mentor to the younger pitchers. I'll take that kind of consistency over John Maine and Oliver Perez, who pitch like Tom Seaver one day and Mike Seaver (Growing Pains) five days later.

The Mets are as durable as a wet tissue. Moises Alou gets his mail at the hospital. Carlos Delgado became old overnight. Luis Castillo has two bad knees. Even Carlos Beltran had offseason surgery on both knees and hasn’t batted over .276 in the last four seasons. Brad Lidge is the only injured Phillies player and he’s being temporarily held back as a precaution.

By the way, the Phillies offense is downright scary. The only people scared by the Mets offense are Mets lovers, and not in a good way.

Finally, people who say team chemistry is overrated must be blind. The Phillies wouldn’t have finished above .500 last season without the chemistry that developed after the All-Star break, and the Mets wouldn’t have collapsed if they had an ounce of it. I’ll always remember the Phillies coming back from injury after injury, and Jose Reyes getting reamed for not running out a ground ball.

I could go on and on, but I’ll take Broad Street over Broadway this season and for the next five seasons as the Phillies again use their underdog status as extra motivation. Keep reading your press clippings, Mets fans.


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DNLLegend
634 days ago
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A lot of what you're saying about the Mets is just plain false:
  • There's no reason to think that Omar Minaya made the Santana trade because he feels his window of opportunity is short. If anything, he made the trade because if he didn't, and the Mets didn't make the playoffs this year, he'd be fired. He had to do something big to make up for last year's collapse. There's no reason to think that the 2009 Mets won't be able to do as well as the 2008 squad.
  • Pedro Martinez is not a 6 inning pitcher. In 10 of 23 starts in 2006, he went 7+. If you take out his last four "I'm injured but let's go anyway" starts, he averaged 6.3 IP/start in 2006. In 2007, the Mets limited him by design, and probably against his ability, as to not risk blowing him out for 2008 (or the playoffs, garr.)
  • Oliver Perez wasn't inconsistent, really. He was just bad in August and September with three good games tossed in there. You're silly to not take him over Jamie Moyer, and I think if you polled all 30 MLB GMs, dollar for dollar, they'd take Perez.
  • You said nothing false about John Maine but that's probably because you said almost nothing about him whatsoever.
The Mets lineup is not as good as the Phils, and no one is going to argue with that. But it's crazy to say that the Phils rotation can touch the Mets'.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
634 days ago
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Are you speaking as a founder that needs guys like Phills Phan Scott to write here so you can make a little cash on ads/clicks or are you speaking as a Mets fan?

1. Santana will be a bust. Just like every other recent overpaid spoiled ballplayer throwing on a Mets jersey.

2. Pedro has squandered his God given pitching talent because he cannot push his fat ass away from the kitchen table soon enough.

3. Your argument supporting Perez is just plain stupid. You are defending a player that absolutely sucked when games mattered most which contributed mightily to this team's collapse.

4. John Maine? So what?

I could care less about either the Mets or Phillies. In a perfect world, NEITHER win this division just shut a few people up around here.

Cubs vs Blue Jays.

Fall Classic '08
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Ccampbell34All-American
634 days ago
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Not only is the Mets lineup not as good as the Phils, it's no where close. Alou and Delgado are essentially finished. Church, Schneider and Chavez wouldn't be in most lineups in the league. The thing about Moyer is he won't pitch stupid, he will pitch the best he can at age 45 which is about .500 baseball which works from your number 3. You never know what you'll get from Perez and from looking at last year, it doesn't look good.
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Phils Phan ScottWaterboy
634 days ago
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Even Mets fans will tell you that their window is closing. It's definitely not a young team and they have no farm system.

How can you go by Pedro's 2006 stats? Remember that injury that caused him to miss about a year? His velocity is down and he's never been durable.

You said Oliver Perez wasn't consistent, then you illustrated part of his inconsistency. Thanks for proving my point. I'll take Jamie Moyer's stability and leadership.

John Maine's ERA after the All-Star break was north of 5.00. That ain't false. Think maybe hitters figured him out? Kendrick is no stud, but he throws strikes and keeps the ball down in the zone. This explains why we was able to maintain a 3.84 ERA over 20 starts, with half of those coming in a hitter's park.

This post was about the entire team's outlook. I'll give a slight pitching edge to the Mets because of Santana, but the rest of the rotation has just as many question marks as the Phillies. The Phillies have a better offense, defense, bench and team chemistry.
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JuTMSY4Legend
634 days ago
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I'm not sure what you mean about the Phils having less question marks in their rotation than the mets...

Fact of the matter is Hamels and Myers will get as many wins as Santana and Martinez...

John Maine has pitched pretty damn well for the past 2 years (i think he maintained an ERA around 3.3, but I'm not looking it up) and he's a phillie killer...

I'm no fan of oliver perez and he has severe control issues (walks)...but when he gets on, he does pretty well. That being said, I disagree with dan about Moyer and Perez. Remove age and I think some GMs might take the more consistent moyer...

Both have pretty questionable 5th starters, but I'd probably take Hernandez over Eaton...I guess...

The bottom line is, the mets have a few more B+ pitchers than the phils...but they have less room for error. Injuries will kill them...and they'll have injuries...everyone does
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JuTMSY4Legend
634 days ago
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plus, we can all be scared shitless when Kyle Kendrick starts...so many (as you would say) experts don't like him...and its worn on my to the point where I am concerned. He's also had a terrible spring...
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
634 days ago
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The Phillies definitely do not have less question marks in their rotation than the Mets. They may have fewer question marks... But definitely not less. :P
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LASportsblogAAA-er
634 days ago
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You mess with DNL and JuT in Baseball - you're asking for a school yard lesson. Here comes the pain!
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JuTMSY4Legend
634 days ago
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yeah, but dan knows more about the mets...

If you ask me, I still think Maine was a terrible oriole and the Mets just got dumb luck when they traded for him...and Perez is still awful...

All i do is watch and read baseball, i'm certainly no expert...

and i hate sabrmetrics...
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LASportsblogAAA-er
634 days ago
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That now makes me question - Which Stat is more pointless in it's sport: Hollinger's PER or Sabrmetrics?
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JuTMSY4Legend
634 days ago
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whichever ones tells you to stop watching baseball because the season's already been decided...
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LASportsblogAAA-er
634 days ago
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+++++++++
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
634 days ago
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I must've missed the anointment of JuT and DNL as baseball's latest all knowing saints. When the hell did John Kruk and Steve Phillips retire?
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Davis21wylieMVP
634 days ago
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Bizarre. Some blowhard columnist or preseason magazine projects standings and it's quaint and all in good fun, but by god when some sabermetric site projects standings, they're "telling you to stop watching baseball because the season's already been decided"... Is it because you're qualified to criticize the sabermetric site's projection process? Must be. I mean, it couldn't be because that site thinks the Phillies won't win. Couldn't be that.
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JuTMSY4Legend
634 days ago
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of course that's part of it...

its also the reason yankees fans are vocal again...

This is why football does so much better than baseball, some silly nerd at a computer can't guess who's going to win the superbowl...
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Davis21wylieMVP
634 days ago
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Repeat after me: Everyone makes projections. Everyone. Silly nerds and blowhard writers and talking radio heads and washed-up scouts and even you and your buddies. Everyone does it. In every sport. Hell, in everything -- you think nobody's projecting these upcoming political elections? So why are you so threatened by someone using stats to project how many games the Phillies will win? I say it's only because they aren't picking Philly. If the computer said they'd win the division, I bet you'd clam up real quick.
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SSreportersLegend
634 days ago
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Everyone makes projections. Everyone. Silly nerds and blowhard writers and talking radio heads and washed-up scouts and even you and your buddies. Everyone does it. In every sport. Hell, in everything -- you think nobody's projecting these upcoming political elections? So why are you so threatened by someone using stats to project how many games the Phillies will win? I say it's only because they aren't picking Philly. If the computer said they'd win the division, I bet you'd clam up real quick.
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JuTMSY4Legend
634 days ago
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no, i'd be concerned that they're being picked...
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