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Manny Stiles' Hall of Famous II - Class of 2008

by Manny Stiles
created June 22, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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With inspiration from the inaugural class and all the conjecture surrounding "iffy" Hall of Fame prospects, this list is the second induction to my personal "Hall of Famous".


One Half: lame excuse to start sports banter and discussion, One Half: Reason to make red links that I can tempt others (and occaionally myself) to change to blue links, One Third: personal log of my who I think are the best athletes in sports history and 9/10ths reason to make odd and unique labels that will help draw a broad range of traffic to AGM...


Introducing the Class of 2008!
Introducing the Class of 2008!

Manny Stiles' Hall of Famous comes bi-annually in waves of approximately 100 inductees at a time. This class is a little heavier in the "other" department, but that's how it goes sometimes...


The rules are simple: You had to be better than VERY, VERY, VERY good. You have to be All-Time Great Good... DOMINANT in your sport or ridiculously famous for your talents... if I missed you, my bad! (I might make a few additions as long as the argument is REAL compelling) Otherwise, wait until 2010...

So the unveiling of the second class of 2008, The next 100 inductees are... (all listed in alphabetical order by sport)


Manny Stiles' Hall of Famous Class of 2008

Baseball

  • Hank Aaron
  • Pete Alexander
  • Hiram Bithorn
  • Steve Carlton
  • Roger Clemens
  • Martin Dihigo
  • Joe DiMaggio
  • Bob Feller
  • Jimmie Foxx
  • Josh Gibson
  • Randy Johnson
  • Mickey Mantle
  • Sadaharu Oh
  • Frank Robinson
  • Honus Wagner


Basketball

  • Rick Barry
  • Bob Cousy
  • George Gervin
  • Moses Malone
  • Hakeem Olajuwon
  • Shaquille O'Neal
  • Bob Pettit
  • John Stockton



Football

  • Marcus Allen
  • Dick Butkus
  • Earl Campbell
  • Eric Dickerson
  • Tony Dorsett
  • Ray Guy
  • Deacon Jones
  • Dick Lane
  • Ronnie Lott
  • Peyton Manning
  • Bruce Matthews
  • Anthony Munoz
  • Mike Singletary
  • Lawrence Taylor


Hockey

  • Martin Brodeur
  • Paul Coffey
  • Marcel Dionne
  • Phil Esposito
  • Dominik Hasek
  • Guy LaFleur
  • Mark Messier
  • Patrick Roy
  • Terry Sawchuk
  • Eddie Shore


Olympics (Summer)

  • Roger Bannister
  • Dick Fosbury
  • Michael Johnson
  • Jackie Joyner-Kersee
  • Edwin Moses
  • Al Oerter


Olympics (winter)

  • Bjoern Daehlie
  • Peggy Fleming


Boxing

  • Julio Caesar Chavez
  • Roberto Duran
  • Joe Frazier
  • Roy Jones Jr.
  • Sugar Ray Robinson
  • Gene Tunney


Auto Racing

  • John Force
  • A.J. Foyt
  • Don Garlits
  • Shirley Muldowney
  • Michael Schumacher
  • Ayrton Senna



Golf

  • Patti Berg
  • Gary Player
  • Annika Sorenstam
  • Lee Trevino
  • Tom Watson
  • Kathy Whitworth
  • Mickey Wright


Tennis

  • Bjorn Borg
  • Margaret Court-Smith
  • Roger Federer
  • Ivan Lendl
  • John McEnroe


Other

  • Earl Anthony - Bowling
  • Terry Bollea - "Hulk Hogan" - Pro Wrestling
  • Sir Donald Broadman - Cricket
  • Doyle Brunson - Poker
  • Joey Chestnut - Competitive eating
  • Eddie Feigner - "The King" - Softball
  • Allison Fisher - Pool
  • Dan Gable - Wrestling
  • Gary Gait - Lacrosse
  • Chip Hanauer - Powerboating
  • Duke Kohonomoku - Olympics, swimming, surfing
  • Diego Maradona - Feetball
  • Lee McFarlin - Noodling
  • Jeremy McGrath - "The King" - Motocross
  • Ty Murray - Pro Rodeo
  • Laffit Pincay Jr. - Jockey
  • Andre Roussimoff - "André the Giant" - Pro Wrestling
  • Kelly Slater - Surfing
  • Rick Swenson - Iditarod
  • Phil Talyor - "The Power" - Darts
  • Rudolph Wanderone Jr. - "Minnesota Fats" - Pool Shark



Don't worry

I have reasons for each individual's addition to my Hall of Famous. And I'm prepared to explain my head off. I know that Roger Bannister never won an Olympic medal and that Minnesota Fats never won a major pool tournament and that Pro Wrestling is "fake".


Feel free to criticize and attack, even agree with some or commend my ability to recognize greatness in Sport if you want! Please don't bitch about missing people until you've ensured that they weren't inducted in the inaugural class first!!! And rest assured that I have a longer list of athletes that just missed the cut on this round. 2010 will be the first class with "Non-Athletes" (coaches, managers and contributors to sport, as well as owners, organizers and supporters)... possibly even journalists! (There's no way in Hell, McCarver. So don't bother getting your hopes up!)



Ladies and Gentlemen, the Manny Stiles' Hall of Famous Class of 2008!!

{standing applause for the inductees}



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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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BTW - Curt Schilling will make it into the "Hall of Famous" somewhere around the year 2158.
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SSreportersLegend
504 days ago
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Any chance Floyd Mayweather gets in next year as long as he stays retired?


And where is Ken Dryden?


Other than that, great work Mister Stiles!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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Ken Dryden is chilling with Bobby Clarke, Mike Bossy, Steve Yzerman, Stan Mikita, Bryan Trottier, Jari Kurri and Ron Francis... (among others)

Sitting on the outside looking in (for now)


I didn't think his career was long enough. He was certainly good enough, but as they say 'thems the breaks'.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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No one gets in next year. It's bi-annual (even years only)
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SSreportersLegend
504 days ago
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next time then.


When it's 2020 I know Evan Longoria will be there!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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...maybe. He's got a long way to go - Mike Schmidt isn't even in yet!
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Davis21wylieMVP
504 days ago
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Still no Steve Young in football?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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I went Defense heavy this round, no doubt.

Young is a pretty fair argument, but WHO would he replace? (I'm not touching anyone in the "other" category)

And it pained me to cut Roger Staubach, Marion Motley, John Hannah, OJ Simpson, Conrad Dobler, Jim Kelly, Steve Largent, Gale Sayers, Shannon Sharpe, Warren Moon, Bruce Smith and Darrell Green...

Honestly though, it felt pretty good cutting Tom Brady.
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RomiezzoLegend
504 days ago
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Pretty good list, Stiles.

Baseball: I think Roger Clemens should be in your Hall of Infamous... (another article idea, perhaps)

Basketball: Spud Webb? (jk)

Football: Pretty much got everything I could think of (not too good on the history of football, as I just became a fan of the sport 2 years ago).

Hockey: I don't even follow hockey... yet. However, I do know that Dominik Hasek recently retired, and does deserve to make this list. Good addition...

I'm just going to skip the olympics entirely because the only person I know from the Olympics is Marion Jones...

Golf: Pretty much covered everyone I know.

Tennis: Federer has made the list. It's only a matter of time before Rafael Nadal makes. He's better than VERY, VERY, VERY good... on clay. Oh, and I'm sure McEnroe went ballistic when you didn't name him in your inaugural list.

Overall... good list.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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As for Clemens (and Barry Bonds on the first list) I look at it like this... they still did it.

LOTS of guys had "help" but they didn't do what Clemens and Bonds did.

To ignore or dismiss accomplishments because of some sense of moral superiority is for lack of a better term - retarded. We don't really know who did what, or to what extent - so there's no point in accepting everyone else's accomplishments as "pure".

Cy Young and Ty Cobb played when cocaine was a household product, hundreds of athletes that served during WWII were exposed to the power of amphetemines - yes, "greenies" were given to airmen and front line soldiers to help them stay alert - and thusly brought them into the game. Steroids have been in sport since the 30's and 40's, but testosterone and hormonal supplementation goes back to the 1890's!!!

To say what we "know" now is but a scratch on the ass of reality. To assume we have ALL the facts today is downright delusional.

We've had all this opportunity to LEARN from what these athletes have done and use it to BETTER society and humanity, but instead we judge and blame and detest and hate...

Besides, it's not the "Hall of Good Guys" - a LOT of these people were pricks.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
504 days ago
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If I add the sum of your parts (2 halfs, 1 third and 9/10s) I get 2 Wholes and 1/5...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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It's not my fault you're bad at math. I never said they were separate parts...
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SSreportersLegend
504 days ago
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Are you rounding Nate?


It's 2 wholes and 7/30, not 6/30.


π This user is a Math fan.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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No, one whole, not 2 and fractional anything....

Take 4 people.

One half have vaginas, three quarters have penises. 3/4 of them write lefthanded but 1/2 of them write righthanded. 2/5 of the group is of black ancestry. Does that mean my group has 2 7/10ths people? No.

It means one of them has to be ambidextrous. One is half black. One is hermaphroditic. But it's not all necessarily the same person...

And it's still only one group of people. Idiots... =)

I never said which part was which. I never used the word "other". I just said parts of the whole fit a particular description.

(Take a minute and see who created that Math fanbox...)
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SSreportersLegend
504 days ago
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I know that, but I'm saying that he would still be wrong if you were adding fraction by fraction.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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I get 2 plus 3 and a half 15ths...
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LASportsblogAAA-er
504 days ago
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wow look what one little joke can evolve into. Your half black person is also the hermahroditic
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LASportsblogAAA-er
504 days ago
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Yes I rounded because 1/5 was more practical then 7/30
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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If the half black person was a hermaphrodite, would the reproductive organs... Aw forget it =) You have to think that true hermaphrodites make good ambidextrous people, though.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
504 days ago
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If you're gonna bother with Poker you might as well put in Johnny Chan. I knew who he was from Rounders before I even understood how Poker worked. Plus 10 WSOP bracelets is basically immortality.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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Doyle Brunson was famous in the 70's when he won the main event back-to-back and was the first to rake in $1 million in winnings. Without Brunson, the popularity of poker in the 70's never takes off and it's renaissance of the late 90's never gets it's grip. Everything that anyone has done in Poker, Dolly did it first.

I remember poker's popularity in the late 70's... I remember Doyle Brunson from when I was a kid. THAT gets him in first.

Phil Helmuth and Johnny Chan might get serious consideration in 2010.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
504 days ago
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Oh ya I know Doyle's story - I just didn't get that they was a series, bi-annual though it may be. So I thought this was the one shot for poker players to get in, figured Chan was as important to the game as it is today and threw it out there. Since there is a 2010 list, depending on their 08 and 09 I def throw support behind either Chan or Hellmuth, both are worthy.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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If you were curious: The shadow in the Hall of Famous plaque is that of John Facenda...
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False ProphetAll-Star
504 days ago
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will he be a member of the first class that takes non-athletes?
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
504 days ago
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were do u rank gale sayeres
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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See the above comment...
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MegECass110AAA-er
504 days ago
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I know he's still got a long road ahead of him, but Michael Phelps has a chance to become the most dominant Olympian ever, considering how young he is. Just saying, for future consideration...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
504 days ago
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Don't worry. He's on the radar. I just wanna see if he can separate himself from Ian Thorpe. Matt Biondi and Mark Spitz both made the first list - because they were more dominant first.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
503 days ago
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No Nascar drivers?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
503 days ago
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Follow the bouncing ball - Check the first round...
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Denny, AlaskaLittle Leaguer
500 days ago
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First, thank you for recognizing my state's official sport, dog mushing.

Second, Rick Swenson? No, sorry. Yes, he's a five-time Iditarod winner, but the majority of Rick's wins were in the early years of the race when the competition was uneven.

Better choice(s): Lance Mackey, winner of *both* the Iditarod and the Yukon Quest (an even tougher race) in 2008 **and** 2007. (Note: he's won the Quest four straight years, beginning in 2005.) And, oh yeah, I'll nominate his lead dog "Zorro," too.

Thanks.
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