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Sj-hypocycloid
Mike Frangione has engaged himself in the noble calling of sportswriting over the years (1991-1997, and again in 2007), enjoying two stints covering (stringing) High School sports for my local newspaper in South Jersey. That was a great learning experience and also a great deal of fun.

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Manny's Grand Slam - Greatest Moment In Dodger History?

by Sj-hypocycloid
created July 24, 2009, last edited August 27, 2009
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Maybe I should just stop listening to Mike & Mike In The Morning. I often find myself talking to my radio at some of the dumb things that Mike Greenberg says. And I've been talking to my radio a lot lately.

Yesterday, he went on a rant because of something a reporter (they said his name, but I am sorry to have to report that I do not remember what it was. I was in my car, and, really, it's immaterial for this article) said when talking to Manny Ramirez.

As you may have heard, Manny hit a pinch hit grand slam on Wednesday night.

Regarding Greenie's take though, please bear with me while I set the table. He was all tsk tsk before he told this story. He made it out to be this big, big deal. About how broadcasters have to be very careful with what they say, and how sometimes things will be said near an open mic that maybe would not have been said had said person known that mic was open. Regrettable things.

Then he told the story. And any of you who also listen to Mike & Mike can probably understand what I mean when I add that Greenie often blows things up to ridiculously extraordinary levels - like his station breaks. "Something happened in baseball yesterday that had never happened before. And I'll tell you about it after this..." Cut to commercial.

Then he'll come back and tell you that Yankees hat wearing Jack Nicholson was in the crowd in Chicago. Really riveting stuff comes after these station breaks, believe you me.

So back to the story. If you didn't hear it - and now I'm dragging it out - perhaps you're wondering what was said that shouldn't have been said? Like me, you probably think it's some insult or some snide remark about a colleague.

Ready? The interviewer proclaimed Manny's homer to be "one of the greatest moments in Dodgers history" or something very much along those lines.

Yes, that's it. I sure was expecting something else. But that's what it was. Hardly regrettable in a "job threatening" or "take out to the woodshed" way. Overstating things, perhaps, but hardly regrettable.

Then Greenberg and Mike Golic went into a mocking discussion of where this really ranks in Dodger lore, snidely putting it at number 600.

I agree that it wasn't one of the great moments in Dodger history. My objection here is the length of time Greenie dedicated to this non-story and the intensity he dispatched to poo poo the reporter.

As if Greenie himself is devoid of needless hyperbole. As if many many other reporters/interviewers are not given to the occasional hyperbolic nonsense.

And to top things off, I found a Bill Plaschke column from the LA Times that ranks this homer 3rd in Dodger history.

Behind Steve Finley's game-winning grand slam in 2004 that vauted the Dodgers to the postseason. It was a 9th inning blast, so that drama and the importance of the homer can't be missed.

Behind Kirk Gibson's overdone blast off Dennis Eckersley in the 1988 World Series. And before anyone flips out about this characterization, I say it's overdone, not overrated. Although I think it's overrated as well. I'm just tired of hearing about it. It gets so much press and I've heard the call so many times I think it's burned into my brain cells. I can believe that I saw it, why can't the guy who called the game??

So if Bill Plaschke, who is frequently cited (and fawned upon) by Mike Greenberg on his show, says that the homer is that important, who am I to question it?

I am far from innocent of blathering on with hyperbole dripping down my proverbial chin.

Who is Greenberg to question what an interviewer says on the field, in the moment, with fans screaming, after a game in which a fan favorite player hit a bomb in a noteworthy situation?

Does Greenberg know what he sounds like after he speaks with Peter Gammons, Buster Olney, Jayson Stark and Bill Curry? You'd think a proposal was forthcoming. Greenie fawns and deposits hyperbole about these men being "the best at what you do" with the best of them. It's pretty revolting most times.

Let he who is bereft of hyperbole cast the first critical stone.


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JuTMSY4Legend
127 days ago
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Where does this home run rank? stairs.jpg
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
127 days ago
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Pretty high, I'd say. Maybe just below Bobby Thompson's homer? :-)
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
127 days ago
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That's a great shot. It's great that you can see the baseball edging off the side...
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JuTMSY4Legend
127 days ago
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Ha, sorry to take up a big block in the comments - I just felt it needed to be done before the Dodgers fans say something stupid.

Sports commentating now is all about Hyperboles - and only in Dodgertown does anyone care if its the greatest homer ever...

To me, its about as big as the Wise catch yesterday...because they both mean one thing: one win
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
127 days ago
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No sweat. As I said, it's a great picture. And we should savor all those 2008 postseason moments. As you well know, postseason glory is hard to find in Philly baseball. But they're the "World Freaking Champions" right now. Awesome.
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CheezerAll-Star
127 days ago
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I stopped listening to Mike & Mike because I got sick of the five minutes of commercials every two minutes. My drivetime isn't long enough to spend it listening to commercials.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
127 days ago
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I see your point. And often, the content isn't compelling enough to bring you back after the break.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
127 days ago
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I don't even know what station ESPN radio is on my radio dial.
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JuTMSY4Legend
127 days ago
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The big sports station in Boston, WEEI, can be brutal like that...10, 15 minutes of commercials between segments or shows depending.

I typically go for a run after work and I usually listen on my shower radio - sometimes my timing's all off and I all I get is "1-800-64Giant" and IRA Automobiles...ugh

No wonder terrestrial radio is dieing
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
127 days ago
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WEEI can be brutal. Used to listen in the shower before school, then in the car on the way to school. But my timing was awful, both 15 minute blocks of time would be 14 minutes of commercials.


To be fair, though, you get 30 minute blocks of talking. WEEI is meant for people listening at work or the unemployable listening at home for long stretches of time. And it's doing fairly well.
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JuTMSY4Legend
127 days ago
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Their homerism is real brutal. In philly (WIP namely), they can get real down on the home team (Eskin and the Iggles being an exception lately). Up here, they're the opposite. Specifically, a Sox can do no wrong thing.

Epstein signed Drew, Lugo, Lowell and traded Hanley Ramirez (admittedly for Josh Beckett, who won a title) and he appears to be perfect in many a chowder filled eye. Odd

Regardless, both can get very annoying.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
127 days ago
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"I just felt it needed to be done before the Dodgers fans say something stupid."

You can't be a Dodgers fan if you aren't stupid.

Manny's ph slam isn't even in the top 50 (or probably MORE) Dodgers moments I can think of without thinking...

Fernandomania, Orel Hershiser's scoreless streak, Sandy Koufax (no-no's, shutouts, etc.), Roy Campanella day, Jackie Robinson stealing home, Jackie Robinson in general for that matter, Ron Cey, Jay Johnstone's Flag-saving heroics, Walter Alston had his share of moments, Tommy Lasorda getting knocked on his ass by Vlad's broken bat in the All-Star game, Duke Snider's greatest hits, 4HR in a row a couple years ago, a million and a half IMPORTANT - postseason - moments good and bad, Mike Scioscia's work at Springfield Nucular Power Plant, "Great moments in Dodgers-Giants Rivalry", and what about the day they MOVED TO LOS ANGELES? How is THAT not a "Greatest Moment in Dodger history? For Fack's sake! All of which I'd consider LOOOOOONG before anything ManRam has done.

Or gee, IDK, what about perhaps the actual GREATEST HR EVER - KIRK GIBSON'S PH HR off Eck!!!'


This is from left field but I always believed this: I would be willing to bet an appendage that more crackheads are fans of the Dodgers than fans of any other baseball team. I don't have proof, statistics or research but you can't prove me wrong.


This is a nice article SJ (although I would tell you to lose many of the paragraph breaks - a sentence does not a paragraph make! - if I was to be a grammarnazi) but when the radio starts spitting out this kind of flotsam, just save yourself the time and clean the wax out of your ears with a rusty chainsaw instead!

Besides, they aren't talking to YOU....
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
127 days ago
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As for Kirk Gibson's HR - it truly WAS that unbelievable.

I remember it like it was this morning. The Dodgers had NO BUSINESS being in the World Series, no business hanging with the A's for 9innings and no business touching Eck.

Eck was Mariano Rivera x 2 in 1988. Look at the Dodgers roster from that season.

Mickey Hatcher? Mike Davis? John Shelby? Franklin Stubbs??? Mike Sharperson? Alfredo Griffin? Jeff Hamilton? Danny Heep!!! Tim Leary was their #2 pitcher! They batted .248 as a TEAM in 1988! They weren't just a bag of hacks and castoffs. They sucked. But they pitched well enough to win a weak West division and shocked the shit out of the Mets in 7 games (which was a tremendous moment in Dodger history in its own right).

Kirk Gibson was the best hitter for the Dodgers and he was a physical mess. He got hurt in Game 7 of the NLCS and was not expected to suit up. That ph HR was his ONLY AB in the series. He made Willis Reed look like a breakdancer. The A's were the pride of the league. The A's had the best pitching AND the best hitting that season. And the Dodgers - for no rational reason whatsoever (other than sheer will, Mickey Hatcher finding a genie lamp at a yard sale and a bulldog who carried them the WHOLE postseason - including going 3-3 in the World Series as a hitter!) overcame their crappy-ass bonehead manager and a slew of injuries to crush the mighty Athletics.

It wasn't just that the A's were supposed to meet the Mets in the World Series (and the media world would have imploded), it was that this World Series turned out to be (despite the A's winning Game 2) a total dud after Gibby's unlikely bomb. The rest of the series was "Holy shit, the A's are gonna lose this..."

At the time, the general concensus was Dodgers vs. A's made David vs. Goliath look like an even money fight. It was more shocking to me than when Mike Tyson lost to Buster Douglas. I saw it, I remember it well and no, I did not believe what I just saw either!

That's not hyperbole, it's just true.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
127 days ago
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Thanks for the kudos. And for the paragraphs, that's the way I was taught to write articles. It's different for magazines and books. I find that newspapers tend to be one or two sentences per paragraph.


As for the Gibson homer, I did say "I say it's overdone, not overrated. Although I think it's overrated as well." and "I'm just tired of hearing about it." That about sums it up. I just don't need to hear about it so much. I agree it was spectacular at the time, but it seems to have gotten bigger than it needed to be. Maybe it's just the anti-dodger in me....


And I deliberately left out some great Dodger moments because any true fan could recite them:


  • 1955 WS - finally beating the Yanks


  • Koufax & Drysdale's attempt to nogotiate for a raise as a unit, prior to free agency. Even though it failed, it was a bold move.


  • Maury Wills stealing 104 bases in 1962 to set the modern record for a season.


Just to name a few of my own.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
127 days ago
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For the record: I very much dislike the Dodgers. I like that they are there to dislike but I never ever rooted for them EXCEPT in 1988 against the A's (I really, really wanted a Mets-A's series and thought it would have been a SPECTACULAR Dream Series and very good for baseball). But they were SUCH an underdog I HAD to root for them... (I do like rooting for the little guys)
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The oldest manVarsity
127 days ago
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It had everything you wanted drama,timing,suspence and history. but it's place in history won't come to the top until this season completely unfolds. If the Dodgers go on to win it all and it will be rated high in the long Dodgers history of events. Manny I didn't know that you hated the Dodgers so much. During the Yankees teams with RUth and Gehrig the Yankees were much beloved by all except by the St.Louis Cardinals, Cubs, Indians, Senators and so on. The Babe did that and then with Mickey and the boys you had that era going on. Lately everyone is a Yankee haters except the people in New York. Baseball fans are funny they come and go and seem always to return to their roots. You like or love the America or National League teams and depending on what part of the country you are from determines what team you like. The old Yankees were not the underdogs but Ruth was just that BASEBALL. And his goings and comings started the press to go crazy. Not many people today are around who remember what it was like when Ruth was playing. Everyone press photographer and reporter was waiting for him to come out or do something that the public wanted to hear about. To say Babe was bigger than life is a understatement that cannot be underlined enough. The lines of people to wait for the games then before and after the depression makes everything today seem just a matter of fact. Underdog or favorite nothing and I really mean nothing in todays baseball is a factor to the game than Babe Ruth was. K-Rod or Bonds or whoever has anywhere near the effect on the public as Babe did. Even today they talk about Ruth but in 10 or 20 years that won't chance but Bonds and K-Rod won't be remembered with anywhere near the affection that has been held for Babe Ruth. People today love him or hate him but he is an always will be the known as simply the BABE.
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