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Is He a Hall of Famer? NFL Edition

by TheSportsApple
created March 06, 2008, last edited June 03, 2008
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In late July and early August, football fans everywhere rejoice. Training camp is fully underway and the newest anchor on the NFL Network is probably already embarrassing himself. (See: Sanders, Deion).

At that same time, Canton, Ohio plays host to the annual Hall of Fame game at Fawcett Field. But before the first snap of the first preseason game occurs, Canton hosts a tiny little event called NFL Hall of Fame weekend. That weekend celebrates the career of the newest class of players, coaches, etc to be inducted into the Hall of Fame with festivities that culminate with the players giving speeches to thousands of endearing fans.

NFL Hall of Fame weekend has produced its share of memorable moments. We got to see Dan Marino lick his fingers one more time completing a pass to Mark Clayton at the end of his speech and Michael Irvin break down crying in the middle of his speech (Of course, some people think that he just had some bad coke and it was burning his sinuses. But I digress.)

In August 2008, Darrell Green and Art Monk will headline the newest HOF class, as they become members of the exclusive football fraternity in Canton. But who of today's active players may one day find themselves at Hall of Fame Weekend in the near future?

Let's find out, as it's again time to play everyone's favorite little game (or not): "Is he a Hall of Famer?"

(*As always, to make the debate more interesting, I am omitting players that almost certainly will make the Hall of Fame barring something catastrophic happening to their career. Active players such as Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tony Gonzalez, Marvin Harrison, Ray Lewis, and Brett Favre. Favre's still active right? ESPN hasn't told me otherwise.)

Today's NFL edition will be about three players: Torry Holt, Ty Law, and Warren Sapp.


Tory Holt

6'0", 190 lbs, Wide Receiver
College: North Carolina State University
1st round draft pick (6th overall) of the 1999 draft (St. Louis Rams)


Stats

Career Stats: 805 Receptions, 71 TDs, 11,864 Yards
  • 7 time Pro-Bowler
  • 2 time All-Pro
  • Super Bowl Champion (XXXIV)
  • 19th on career receptions list (805)
  • 17th on career receiving yards list (11,864)
  • 1st on career receiving yards per game list (83.1)
  • 20th on career yards per reception list (14.7)
  • Led the NFL with 117 receptions in 2003
  • Only NFL player ever to record 1,300 receiving yards in six consecutive seasons
  • Second fastest player ever to reach the 600-reception plateau (107 games)


Argument Against Holt will drop some passes when he tries to run before he brings the ball in. He sometimes tries to make too much happen. His career numbers are solid, but not overwhelming yet. For a guy who has the ability to catch the deep ball and tremendous acceleration and quickness, his 14.7 yards per catch average does not put him near the top with guys like Paul Warfield (20.1). 2 of his 7 Pro Bowls he did not originally make, he was added as an injury replacement.


Comparison to Current Hall of Famer
At this point in Holt's career, He compares favorably with former Green Bay and Buffalo WR James Lofton. Although, Lofton had better hands and a slightly taller frame at 6'3", both receivers possess speed to stretch the defense. Holt already has more catches than Lofton but Lofton has 3,000 more yards and 4 more yards per catch average (18.3 compared to 14.7). Both players are extremely durable, as Holt has only missed 2 career games and Lofton played 16 seasons and was the first player to catch a touchdown pass in 3 different decades (Holt could match that as his first season was in 1999).

Final Verdict Torry Holt has quietly established himself as one of the best wide receivers of this generation. Just exactly how quiet is evident in this question: Who has the most receiving yards since 2000? Not Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, or Terrell Owens; Torry Holt does. He also has a Super Bowl ring and owns two of the nine highest single-season receiving yardage totals since 1960 (1,696 in '03 and 1,635 in '00). He eventually will get in. As of right now, he is not a Hall of Famer, but he is only 31 with many more productive seasons in sight. If he reaches 15,000 yards, 100 touchdowns, and 1,000 receptions, he is definitely in. Barely not in yet, but will be.


Ty Law

5'11", 200 lbs, Cornerback
College: University of Michigan
1st round draft pick (23rd overall) in the 1995 draft (New England Patriots)


Stats

  • 5 time Pro-Bowler
  • 2 time All-Pro
  • 3 time Super Bowl Champion
  • 2nd among active players in interceptions with 52 (23rd on career list)
  • 28th on career interception return yards (791)
  • 7th on career interception returns for touchdowns list (7)
  • 6 career postseason interceptions
  • Led NFL in interceptions in 2 different seasons (1998, 2005)


Argument Against Law was never a dominant shut down cornerback as he always dared the opposing quarterback to throw his way. He only averaged 53 tackles a season and has only forced 6 career fumbles while only recovering 4. Never known for blitzing off the edge with only 5 career sacks. When passes defended became a stat in 2001, Law has only averaged 12 passes defended a season. He was never known for his excellent speed, but he could turn and run with the best of them because of his solid hips and instinct. He is an excellent cover corner in man-to-man, but only average in zone. He also at times displays a me first attitude.


Comparison to Current Hall of Famer
Law compares favorably with former Green Bay CB Herb Adderley. Both were the same size, have 3 championship rings, and played in 5 Pro Bowls. Law has 4 more career interceptions. Both have marvelous instincts needed to be dominant in the secondary to shut down opposing numbers 1 receivers.


Final Verdict Law isn't an extremely hard hitter but he excelled in the physical bump and coverage. His physical play against some of the game's best receivers prompted the NFL to more strictly enforce the five-yard illegal contact rule on defensive backs after the 2003 season. He has always played well in the postseason (ask Peyton Manning), but his level of play has dropped severely since he left New England. He was a risky and aggressive player who benefited from baiting quarterbacks into making mistakes and compiling his interceptions total. Out, but not too far away'. '

 


Warren Sapp

6'2", 300 lbs, Defensive Tackle
College: University of Miami (FL)
1st round draft pick (12th overall) of the 1995 Draft (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)


Stats

  • 7 time Pro-Bowler (1997-2003 consecutively)
  • 6 time All-Pro (1997-2002 consecutively)
  • 1999 Defensive Player of the Year
  • Super Bowl Champion (XXXVII)
  • 5th on active career sacks list with 96.5, (28th overall)
  • 88th on career games started list (188)
  • 19 career forced fumbles


Argument Against While Sapp's sack total is impressive, he never led the NFL in sacks in a single season. Sapp can be a negative influence (fined for referee confrontation in 2007) when things aren't going well. He can get heavy at times and lose some of his explosiveness. He was dominant for 7 years consecutively and that was it (except for 10 sacks in 2006 with the Oakland Raiders). He took 3 of his 4 seasons off in Oakland while playing for a bad team but collecting $33 million (only averaged 32 tackles a season).


Comparison to Current Hall of Famer
Warren Sapp compares with former Minnesota DT Carl Eller. Both men were both extremely quick and mobile for their size. They both could stuff the run and were superb at rushing the passer. Sapp played in 1 more Pro-Bowl than Eller and both men won a Defensive Player of the Year Award. Eller was a taller pass rusher but Sapp had a stronger midsection that generated just as much force to the quarterback as Eller's taller frame did.

  Final Verdict Warren Sapp dominated his position for many years in a row. He and Derrick Brooks were the stalwarts among the very good Tampa Bay defensive units of the late 90's and early 2000's. He was a load to block, even for a double team. He collapsed offensive pockets and tossed blockers aside with relative ease. However, it seemed late in his career he took entire games off and was not anywhere close to being a dominant force. Sapp just retired this week. If he could have slimmed down and had a productive 2008 and/or 2009. He would almost definitely get in. But since he retired and left a sour taste in lots of fans and writers/reporters mouths, he may get passed up for Canton. Out, not that far away.


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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
632 days ago
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Hmmmm, what about Favre? ;)
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TheSportsAppleAll-American
632 days ago
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he's retired, haven't you heard?!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
632 days ago
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He did? Sorry but I've been so pre-occupied watching 24/7 press coverage of Sapp calling it quits!
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
632 days ago
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Is Sapp slang for anything?
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JuTMSY4Legend
632 days ago
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you tell me...
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SSreportersLegend
632 days ago
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Sapp is slang for a guy named....never mind, don't want to get into trouble.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
632 days ago
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Come on SS! Tell me :)
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SSreportersLegend
632 days ago
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Francis Stevenson.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
632 days ago
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F.S. huh.....
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TheSportsAppleAll-American
632 days ago
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OK, my giant a** pictures got sized incorrectly. I am pathetic at formatting!! my apologies
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
632 days ago
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way to go....jees
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
632 days ago
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that better?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
632 days ago
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You da man AOEH!
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TheSportsAppleAll-American
632 days ago
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Thanks AOEH
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Steel TownDraft Pick
632 days ago
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Sapp is a piece of garbage. I would never have thought of considering him for the HoF. Like you said, he fell of the radar when he left Tampa.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
632 days ago
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True Sapps lack of production post Tampa makes me think he was a complete system guy, but then when Howie Long (who is a friend) is in there its hard to say Sapp doesnt belong as well
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Agent0Red-Shirting
631 days ago
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That's why Sapp should have never left Tampa Bay...was such a shame that a lot of our great defensive players left after winning the super bowl.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
632 days ago
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All of these guys are solid choices, but none of them are "true hall of famers" in my book. I guess Holt could be when its all said and done. Law, I think is overrated, and well Sapp is hard to differentiate the hype from the actual play.
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TheSportsAppleAll-American
632 days ago
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I agree, Law is overrated. The only reason I said yes to Holt is his numbers have a chance (depending upon what he now does in Baltimore) to be great.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
632 days ago
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Agreed Holt's numbers give him a legit chance to get in.
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SSreportersLegend
632 days ago
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Holt in, Sapp and Law out.
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Behbigben15All-Star
632 days ago
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I would've picked Isaac Bruce, instead of Torry Holt, but nice job anyway.
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SSreportersLegend
632 days ago
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Isaac is sure fire HOFer....Holt is tougher.
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TheSportsAppleAll-American
632 days ago
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Bruce's stats are better because he has been in the league longer. That's why I went with Holt because it was more fun to try to compare his stats right here and now with some other all time greats. When all is said and done I think Holt will be in. His stats impressed me more than i thought they would
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
632 days ago
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Agreed, Bruce will be in the HOF he was great for a long time.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
632 days ago
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I'm going with none of these guys.
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KelsdadAll-Star
632 days ago
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None
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Yakob878MVP
632 days ago
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ty law will hoefulley play nest season for the pats
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Bobbyjim45Draft Pick
632 days ago
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Law and Sapp are probably out. Holt still has some left in the tank. I think it'll be enough to get him in.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
630 days ago
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
627 days ago
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Torry Holt, assuming he plays at least three more seasons, is an absolute first ballot guy. Sapp shoulda retired after tampa, when his stock was highest. HOF fights the Law, and the Law wins...barely. Interesting discussion. Bruce is clearly in. Here's a question; what about Bledsoe?
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