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Introduction To The Association

by JTStally
created June 05, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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Last summer, I interned with formerly Fox Sports Net - New England. FSN exclusively covers the Boston Celtics, and the internship became my first prolonged exposure to the NBA.

For years, I've proclaimed that I'd rather watch the Brewers and Rockies (this was before Colorado was the World Series Rockies and still a 10-games under .500 club) play in April than watch the NBA playoffs.

After the Celtics lost an embarrassing 58 games last season, working for a TV station that covered a team with no future in a league for which I had no respect proved to be an interesting learning experience.

Back with the station again this summer (it's since switched to Comcast Sports Net), I have the opportunity to reflect on just how much more relevance the NBA has in my life now than a year ago.

Last year, FSN hosted a "Draft Lottery Party" at Cleary's Bar in downtown Boston. When the Milwaukee Bucks got the No. 6 pick, it meant the Celtics would get the fifth pick (the lowest pick they possibly could have gotten).

In the 20 dismal seasons since Boston last went to the NBA Finals, which coincidentally coincide with the all but about nine months of my life that not-so-coincidentally had a lot to do with my apathy for professional basketball, the Celtics future had never looked so bleak.

Look how far we've come!

This year, the Draft Lottery took place right before the NBA's best team (66 regular season wins), the Boston Celtics, tipped off Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Detroit Pistons.

At the same time, the Boston Red Sox, my Boston Red Sox, the team I hold closest to my heart, were taking on the Kansas City Royals. In past years, I'd scoff at the idea of watching The Association over the Red Sox, but, this year, my TV was acutely tuned to the NBA Playoffs.

I'll definitely attribute some of my growing interest in working for a company that exclusively covers the Celts. But, more so, I attribute it to the ingrained nature of a Boston fan.

Boston fans are loyal to their teams.

  • Boston fans stuck with the Red Sox through 86 painful championship-less years.
  • Boston fans stuck with the Patriots through a stretch that saw them win nineteen games in five seasons at the start of the 1990s (including a 1-15 and a 2-14 season).
  • Boston fans stuck with the Celtics through a twenty-one year championship drought from the NBA's once proudest franchise, a drought which culminated in a 18-game losing streak and 58 losses last season.
  • Even Boston's only remaining delinquent child, the Bruins receive support. I'll still attend Bruins games as often as possible, although I compare them to a troubled marriage that I'm fighting through knowing there will be better days.

Boston fans will stick with their team through the thick and the thin, but showing the fans a desire to win will create an endless amount of support. Credit Danny Ainge and the Celtics management for understanding this and finding a way to inspire fans, such as myself, to pay attention to the Celtics again.

It's becoming a common theme in Boston.

It started with the Kraft family building a dynasty in Foxboro, then moved Fenway where the new Red Sox ownership and GM Theo Epstein followed suit. The Red Sox have created such a following among fans that they've tagged their fan and charged admission into "Red Sox Nation;" sold out every game since mid-May 2003 (a year and a half before they broke "The Curse") and are well on their way to setting a major league record for consecutive sellouts early this September; and were mobbed by over three million fans after their 2004 World Championship.

The same thing is happening in the Garden. Everyone in Boston cares about the Celtics now, too.

Needless to say, a multiplying interest in the Celtics, combined with a sports journalist desire to attain a knowledge throughout sports, I've suddenly been introduced a professional basketball league known as the NBA.

I used to view the NBA as a league for spoiled, over-paid, underachieving, and ultimately apathetic punks. The only basketball I'd ever watched was in March, and it was college basketball; the only level of basketball in which I actually believed the players cared about winning.

Wow, how much I've learned about the association over the last year!

May I introduce:

  • Kobe Bryant: Once a punk I disdained for cheating on his wife with a 19-year old, now a player I viewed as one of the most awe-inspiring and MVP-deserving players in the league. He uniquely obtains the value to completely take over a game, well, almost uniquely...
  • LeBron James: My first round pick in fantasy basketball and always one of my favorite players, but his playoff dominance of Detroit last season was something that I must missed watching someone like the Dodgers play the Braves. I didn't truly appreciate his ability to single handedly lead the Cavs until he pushed the Celts to the limit this May.
  • Caron Butler: Speaking of fantasy basketball, not coincidentally, I played in only my second ever league this fall...Butler won the award for highest ranked player (Yahoo's #24 player) that I had never heard of, that certainly was not the case by the end of the year.
  • Kendrick Perkins, P.J. Brown, James Posey, and Eddie House: Thank you Celtics! I'd never heard of Perkins or Brown until they played for the Celtics this year. I didn't know anything about Posey, especially not his lockdown defense; and, I thought House was a big man (that's excusable though, who names a little guy "House"!?)
  • Kwame Brown: Still a useless piece of junk, but at least I no longer think he's a guard, like I did when he was traded for Pau Gasol. For the record, he's about 6'10".

Gasol turned out to be the missing link in a Lakers team on the verge. That Lakers team will travel to Boston this week for Game One of the NBA Finals on Thursday night.

The league's oldest and deepest rivalry is finally renewed. You don't have to be a Celtics supporter to appreciate it; you don't have to be a Lakers supporter to appreciate it; but you do have to be an NBA supporter to appreciate it. If I can appreciate it; and if I can, I'm sure you can too!

Go Celtics! Beat LA!

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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
543 days ago
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Where other people use words to describe things, you use "Boston". Hurray for us!
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The PipDiv-I Stud
542 days ago
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Sadly Boston fans cannot talk about being die-hard right now. Unless you've been to many a Bruins game over the last 5 seasons. Right now things are unbelievably great, but trust me the 80's were great time for boston sports as well and then the 90's happened. This time will end and then you can talk about boston and die-hard. Nothing is forever, especially in sports, that's why we love it so much. We do have the best fans in America, but now is not the time to talk about it. Let's talk about having the best teams, that argument we win hands down.
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SSreportersLegend
542 days ago
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We do have the best fans in America, but now is not the time to talk about it. Let's talk about having the best teams, that argument we win hands down.


Outside of the Red Sox, how many Boston sports teams have actually won a league championship this season?
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JuTMSY4Legend
542 days ago
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Stop it SSR...look, i agree i don't like the way Pip phrased it, but fact of the matter is, the Pats, Sox and (now) celtics are the class of their respective leagues...the and bruins are turning it around (I forsee Hossa in their future)
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SSreportersLegend
542 days ago
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You've got to be kidding me. Who cares if they are the class of their leagues if (outside of the Red Sox) don't win anything?
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JTStallyWaterboy
541 days ago
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SSR, the Patriots went 18-1 last year! You might hate the Patriots, but the Super Bowl was a one-game fluke. If the Pats played the Giants in a seven-game series like in other sports, NE would have taken the series quickly. (Obviously, a seven-game series doesn't make sense in football, but I'm speaking hypothetically). Bottom line: The Patriots were the best team in the NFL last year. Yes, they should have proved that by winning the Super Bowl, but the loss (their only one of the season) doesn't get around the fact they were the best team.
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SSreportersLegend
541 days ago
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Okay, I won't deny that. But if the Patriots were supposed to beat the Giants in a 7 game series, how did they almost blow the chance at 16-0 at the Meadowlands the first time around?
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KelsdadAll-Star
542 days ago
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You forgot to mention Boston fans as being the most delusional
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The PipDiv-I Stud
541 days ago
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Yeah all these championships are making me dizzy.
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SSreportersLegend
541 days ago
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Dude, you've won just 1 league championship, so I guess it's so rare that if Boston teams win more than 1 in a year you're passed out?
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JuTMSY4Legend
542 days ago
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Wait...is this article serious...

You state that you had no interest in the NBA and then the Celtics got good and you started being interested

Then you follow this up with an explaination of how Boston fans are so die-hard...

Am I missing the link here...I get that you work for the team, but I have a hard time believe you'd be even half as interested if the trade last draft didn't occur...

No one stuck with the Pats...some chips fell their way (the 2001 season) and they got lucky (if you don't think they got lucky in 2001...then you agree the giants are the best team of 2008...right?) Then when things got good, all of the sudden New England loved football...news to me...

The Red Sox...the perennial favorite of New England started selling out games circa May of 2003...would that be the same time as there run into the playoffs in 2003 followed by Aaron Boone? Yeah...no coincidence?

And the Bruins? Boston, once designated as one of the Best Hockey cities, now leaves a half-filled Garden every time the Black and Gold take the ice...is it the owner...or is it because the Bruins aren't winners?

I'm fine with people calling themselves die-hards...heck, even a chunk of sox fans say through some pretty brutal eras (though there were many good seasons), but to go through this exercise of self-preservation is ridiculous...and your example even more so...

You can talk to me about the Pitino years...or Ray Bourke's Bruins (and pretty much just Ray)...or the 1996 Pats and that magical run...but jumping on the wagon...that just doesn't fit...
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JTStallyWaterboy
541 days ago
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Bourque. Do some research.
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JuTMSY4Legend
541 days ago
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hey. thanks for the input...
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JTStallyWaterboy
538 days ago
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It's just bad journalism to spell a name wrong. In a sports journalism class I took once, it was a policy that you'd fail a paper for getting a fact wrong or spelling a name wrong. I learned that the hard way when I didn't double check the spelling of "Haselbeck." Ray Bourque is a clear cut Hall of Famer and it's embarassing to get spell his name wrong. You wouldn't spell it Michael Jorden or Payton Maning, would you? Seriously, how hard is it to double check a questionable spelling. I just checked Seahawks.com to make sure I didn't spell Hasselbeck wrong again in this post.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
538 days ago
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Good thing this is blogging...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
538 days ago
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Yeah, whether "blogging" or in proferssional journalism, snotty know-it-all-ism is a pretty ridiculous attitude to pop when you have typed "player I have never heard of before this season" more than once... especially when you say you never heard of Caron Butler but in the next section you berate the skills of Kwame Brown.

If you know so much about Brown, perhaps you would already know THAT HE WAS TRADED FOR CARON BUTLER!!!!!

But of course, that all means nothing compared to spelling Ray Borque's name correctly, right?

Ask me why Boston fans under the age of 30 (or as I call them "InstaFans") are so easy to dislike....
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
538 days ago
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And YES, I spelled it incorrectly on purpose. Why?

Maybe because it's an article about BASKETBALL, not HOCKEY?

Wayne Gretski, Bobby Ohr, Gorgy How, Patrick Wah, Chris Chelleose and Paul Coffee can all attest to this being a basketball article.
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JTStallyWaterboy
537 days ago
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Lol, I was about to say "Fair enough." But, first scrolled down and saw you wrote that after my post. In any case: fair enough. Although I do take offense to the "InstaFan" comment, Boston had few memorable sports teams in the early 1990s when I first started cheering for them.
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JTStallyWaterboy
537 days ago
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...By memorable, I mean successful, as in season's worth remembering.
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JTStallyWaterboy
537 days ago
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And by "season's" I mean "seasons."
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JuTMSY4Legend
537 days ago
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Well...

1) I'm not blogging or writing...its a comment...I shoot from the hip for most of my comments...If I'm writing a fucking paper for a journalism class that requires at least one iota of professionalism, then yeah...then again, maybe spellcheck takes care of that...

2) So the 1990s teams you're talking about are:

1996 New England Patriots

The Celtics? Well no playoff teams between 1995 and 2001 that I recall...maybe something before then...

The Red Sox had the Mo Vaughen and Clemens years...plus 1998...i guess that counts

and the bruins...well, once again, shooting from the hip, I'm guessing many many first round playoff exits...

so would I'm assuming you didn't become a sox fan until 1998, a pats fan in 1996 and a Cs fan until...what do you know...this year?!
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Simms1156Div-I Stud
542 days ago
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Jut you said that the Pats are the class of the NFL. Is that really fair to the Giants who are the Super Bowl champion?
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JuTMSY4Legend
542 days ago
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Well...while I don't think the Giants are the best team, what I meant by class is they are among the elite teams...I should have include that caveat...though I consider the celtics in the same way
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SSreportersLegend
542 days ago
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If that is what you mean then I agree.
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JuTMSY4Legend
542 days ago
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I didn't think class was mutually exclusive? I just think its impossible to argue that they're not among the best...aka they will be highly competitive next year
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SSreportersLegend
542 days ago
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The way the Patriots players keep getting arrested and the fact that they are on the Super Bowl losers list (remember the curse), I'm not all the way sure that they can be that competitive next season. That being said, it would take a whole lot for a team with that offense to suck.
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JuTMSY4Legend
542 days ago
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Seahawks made the playoffs in 2006 no?
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SSreportersLegend
542 days ago
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Barely.
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JuTMSY4Legend
542 days ago
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heh...I'd bet the Giants have a better shot of missing the playoffs than the Pats...

1) their division is stacked

2) The Pats' division is not

3) Look at all the other teams in the NFC at the Giants level...You've got the east, packers, seahawks, plus there's always a surprise team...and the classically sexy picks of Arizona and now Detroit, who will both inevitably finish 8-8
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SSreportersLegend
542 days ago
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Stop riding the Arizona bandwagon.


Every year they are supposed to be contenders, but instead finish 6-10 or 7-9 and don't even compete in the NFC West.
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SSreportersLegend
542 days ago
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If you want a surprise team, go with the Vikings.
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JuTMSY4Legend
542 days ago
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1) i just said they'll be picked 2) who are the vikings surprising...and i'm not picking them...just AP ; - )
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SSreportersLegend
542 days ago
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Somewhere Sean Salisbury, in his room with pictures of his ****, is saying "I believe the Panthers will win the Super Bowl, when you have the great QB skills of Jake Delhomme and the speed of Steve Smith, I think they can be a dangerous team."
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KelsdadAll-Star
542 days ago
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Nobody rides the bandwagon of an 8-8 team, SS.
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SSreportersLegend
542 days ago
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They've been riding it since they were a 5-11 team.
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CheezerAll-Star
542 days ago
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two words: Tarvaris Jackson
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Davis21wylieMVP
542 days ago
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I bet the Eagles finish with as many wins as the G-Men... And they both make the playoffs.
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Davis21wylieMVP
542 days ago
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Also, I bet AZ and Detroit both finish under .500.
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JuTMSY4Legend
542 days ago
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heh...so you're counting out the skins?
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Davis21wylieMVP
542 days ago
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In that division... yes. The sad part is that they'd probably win (or at least finish a close 2nd) in the other 3 NFC divisions. It's just that the East is going to be so ridiculous this year...
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Tej8722JV Squad
541 days ago
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I so badly want to have the Vikings rise to glory, but even as a homer I'm with Cheezer on Tarvaris needing to elevate his game before I can really consider them a threat. 8 in the box on AP will probably do the trick.
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KelsdadAll-Star
542 days ago
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Way to go out on a limb there, Davis.
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Davis21wylieMVP
542 days ago
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Hey, Justin was right, though -- plenty of people are going to pick one of those teams as a "sleeper" despite all evidence to the contrary...
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KelsdadAll-Star
542 days ago
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People pick sleepers all the time, probably because they believe people will think they know what they're talking about if the pick comes in.
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Davis21wylieMVP
542 days ago
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And if it doesn't work out, you can always write it off as a wild guess that you didn't really expect to pan out. You know, Arizona's been "that team" for so long that they're actually a cliche sleeper pick...
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KelsdadAll-Star
542 days ago
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Here's a sleeper, Casino Drive in the Belmont.
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JuTMSY4Legend
541 days ago
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hahah, that's ironic...
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Falcon02520Legend
542 days ago
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Don't say anything about Boston being a "die-hard" city because "die-hard" cities still sell tickets. Look at these numbers. Especially take note of PCT. This shows the percentage of seats sold to the overall complex. PCT Rank is where they rank in the entire league in selling out games. Notice, the only time one of these teams is ranked in the top twenty is the 07-08 Celtics (a winning team, go figure).

Now don't get me wrong, very few cities want to go watch a losing team, I get it. But, "die-hard" cities will go see these teams no matter what. Boston isn't a "die-hard" city...

Boston Celtics
Season Rank AvgPCT
Rank
PCT
03-04 18 16202 23 82.7
04-05 24 16001 26 81.6
05-06 18 16890 20 86.2
06-07 20 16843 23 85.9
07-08 12 18624 8 100
Boston Bruins
Season Rank AvgPCT
Rank
PCT
03-04 22 15070 24 80.9
05-06 18 16211 21 87
06-07 25 14764 25 79.3
07-08 26 15384 27 82.6
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Davis21wylieMVP
542 days ago
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Where'd you get that data? (Excel-senses tingling!!)
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Falcon02520Legend
542 days ago
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NBA and NHL... ESPN is good for something...
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JuTMSY4Legend
542 days ago
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I think in most cases, cities have a die-hard mentality for perhaps 1 team...maybe 2

Boston's is probably the sox...if any...

Philly's is the eagles...New York's is probably the Yankees...though I think you might actually able to argue the knicks...

Falcon, care to look up the Detroit Tigers' info...seeing as they were perenial loser of the 90s and earlier this decade...
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Falcon02520Legend
542 days ago
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I would not argue that Boston is passionate about their Red Sox, but I am tired of hearing that Boston fans are die-hard about all their teams... it's just not true...
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Davis21wylieMVP
542 days ago
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Okay, so this is for the NBA only, it's all I had time for so far...

Anyway, there's a tangible (but not great, R^2=.33) relationship between PCT and winning %, so I ran a linear regression predicting PCT from W%. I call the difference between actual PCT and expected PCT "DHI" (Die Hard Index). Here are the most die hard NBA cities since 2003, when ESPN's data starts:
TEAM 	DHI
New York 	11.39
Dallas 	7.58
LA Lakers 	6.49
Toronto 	5.49
Sacramento 	4.87
Chicago 	4.84
LA Clippers 	4.43
Miami 	4.29
Seattle 	4.04
Utah 	3.94
Orlando 	2.44
Detroit 	1.90
San Antonio 	1.61
Golden State 	1.11
Cleveland 	-0.36
Milwaukee 	-0.53
Washington 	-0.81
Denver 	-0.87
Boston 	-1.49
Phoenix 	-2.10
Portland 	-2.15
Minnesota 	-2.51
New Orleans 	-2.84
Houston 	-4.15
Philadelphia 	-6.23
Indiana 	-6.40
Memphis 	-8.55
Atlanta 	-9.03
Charlotte 	-9.76
New Jersey 	-11.99
So Celtics fans are, in fact, below average in "die hardedness" by this measure. Of course, this is hardly the final word on die hards -- you can be die-hard without going to games (in case you didn't know, they're very expensive), and W% isn't the greatest explanatory variable for PCT. But it's just another (interesting) way of looking at the issue.
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Tmil42AAA-er
542 days ago
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Good god, Davis. What have you done?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
541 days ago
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Davis, I have a hard time buying into a stat that says NY is the diehardest city because the Knicks are on top while NJ is worst... they are what? 6 miles apart??? This does not bode well for NY in the NASFL.
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JuTMSY4Legend
541 days ago
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it doesn't hurt that NY has the largest city by a margin of over 2-1 (NY proper features over 8 million while LA, the 2nd city, has over 3 million) and the greater NY area has a 50% lead over LA again... sheer volume has something to do with it...
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Antone2382Soccer Kid
542 days ago
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I feel bad for any kid who wanted to he an intern for the station who actually LOVED basketball and then someone like this ends up with the job. I am glad that you now enjoy the game but it shouldn't have taken this season alone for that to happen.

I'm amazed that you could even be involved in sports and have no idea who Caron Butler was when he went to UConn which isn't far from Boston and also that you didn't even know who Kendrick Perkins and he plays on the Celtics.

This article is like the fairweather fan handbook and does not make Boston fans look like die hards. I know you intended to do that but you actually did the opposite.

I don't mean to sound negative, I was just pointing out some things. In general, I thought the writing was solid and I am glad you came to appreciate the game of basketball.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
542 days ago
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The author was born in October 1986. He's a die hard!!!
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Tmil42AAA-er
542 days ago
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I was born in 1987. I would argue with anyone who doesn't think I'm a die-hard Mets fan.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
541 days ago
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Another interesting aspect of Red Sox fandom...Didn't they force Epstein out, falter, bring him back, and win again? They don't even seem to value loyalty in their own organization. I don't know of any other 'Nations' that charge their fans for the 'privilege'. And before there's a rush to the defense of the Sox, I am not here to bash them. Let's all just agree that no group of fans is any better than another. You like who you like and you are a fan. Period. If I don't wear a Ryan Howard jersey, I don't consider myself any less of a Phils fan than the guy who has three Rollins jerseys and two Utley jerseys. Maybe this bears repeating. No group of fans is any better than another. Just my opinion...
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KelsdadAll-Star
541 days ago
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Hey Tmill, is your real name Mookie?
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JuTMSY4Legend
542 days ago
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Holy shit!

Rational boston sports fan

Bravo and welcome
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OvertheedgeVarsity
542 days ago
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frontrunner
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JTStallyWaterboy
541 days ago
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I appreciate everyone's comments. However, this whole "die-hardness" thing is taken way out of context. I reread my article (albeit rather quickly) and failed to find the phrase "die-hard" in there once. Furthermore, I don't recall bashing or in anyway degrading the fan base of any other city, nor contrasting them to the Boston fan base.
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JuTMSY4Legend
541 days ago
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so Boston fans will stick with their team through the thick and the thin is this not "Die-hardedness?"

And no one's accusing you of bashing...but without some type of measurement (which we all know would be bogus) than contrasting against other cities seems logical...

but your entire article seems dedicated to this supposed boston mentality of sticking through thick and thin (or was we suggest, being a die-hard) and yet you contrast this with the experience you had with the celtics...which had absolutely everything to do with them winning and nothing to do with you "sticking with them through thick and thin"

Look, You're a good writer, but i'm just calling a spade and spade...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
541 days ago
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I knew that was coming.

Jut just gave you some very good advice, but I'll sum it up like this:

Consider for a moment that your "audience" is the people who are reading this, when you post it publicly, it's not just yourself anymore...

I agree with JuT, you're a good writer. But this does seem more like a writer trying to pump out a sports pertinent article than a fan expressing his fanship eloquently with words.


BTW - the lottery balls ALWAYS get picked before game one of the Conference Finals, not just "this year" - or as you say - "Do some research" =)
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JuTMSY4Legend
541 days ago
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thanks manny...i admit my first comment was a little harsh, but I just felt the article present an idea in contradictory terms...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
541 days ago
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We're harsh because we love sports (and sports journalism) passionately.

If we didn't love, we'd be silent - which in our book is the cruelest harshness there is.

I'm pretty sure that like myself, JuT just wants everyone to keep working at their craft and getting better with every post.
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JuTMSY4Legend
541 days ago
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you try to make the good ones stick...no matter their affiliation...
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JTStallyWaterboy
538 days ago
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"This year, the Draft Lottery took place right before the NBA's best team (66 regular season wins), the Boston Celtics, tipped off Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Detroit Pistons."

"BTW - the lottery balls ALWAYS get picked before game one of the Conference Finals, not just "this year" - or as you say - "Do some research" =)"

...Fair enough to clarify Manny...

I tried to design this sentence to show how far the Celtics came in a year since last year's lottery; I was more addressing the timing of where the Celtics were a year ago. I believe it was the Spurs that played directly after the lottery (nobody at the bar was in any mood to watch), and I almost put that in, but didn't really think it had that much relevance.

...I will say the comments have actually encouraged me to investigate the "die-hardness" of all sports cities. As a person who's lived in LA and Boston, I completely disagree with SJ-Hypo that all fan bases are equal, and it's something I'm interested in evaluating.

I certainly appreciate the feedback (it shows people are reading) and try not to take anything personally...unless Ray Bourque's name gets spelled wrong.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
538 days ago
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Fair enough!
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
537 days ago
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No trace of sarcasm intended here: I look forward to seeing what makes one fan base better than another. And--If you think that Red Sox fans have suffered, how about 1 World Series win in 125+ years? And the Phillies sell out!
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