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If I Were NBA Commissioner ...

by Jerjets11
created June 26, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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Some of these things will never happen. But I'll say them anyway...

To hear David Stern, the NBA is in peak form, especially after their manufactured LA-Boston NBA Final just completed. They set attendance records every year. The merchandising and international revenue is an incredible sum. When the old BAA hockey arena owners originally got together in 1946, this was the kind of jack they dreamed of over rounds of whisky.

But the attendance figures are, of course, inflated. Yes, the tickets are sold. But many seats are empty. The league designed for Joe Sixpack in the early 1950s is now corporate seating and loges. The foreign cash is large, but the American cash is actually beginning to shrink a little.

I mention these two issues because they are but two of many facing the league, and because they go to the heart of what is wrong with this 60-year-old league. No, there's nothing at all wrong with business guys trying to make a buck. Even a disgustingly huge buck. This is America. It may also be very American to reduce or adjust the product to accommodate profit. We are a nation of plastic, disposable parts that soon become obsolete after the big sale. While I disagree with that fact, I understand it is the modern nature of the beast. I would not feel differently about the NBA than I would about other enterprises, except that they represent a much-loved game.

Also, there is the feeling that the NBA could be much bigger, producing a greater profit for owners by focusing energies on quality rather than quantity. So, what could the NBA do to take a bigger share? Or to be a league more worthy of greater public support? If I were God-Stern, here's what I would do:

1 ) Reduce the number of regular season games and teams.  How does this create more money, you ask? Ask yourself, where does the real money come from now? From monster ticket prices? No, that is a small percentage of the revenue. Merchandising and media are the bank. The game is just a vehicle for a slew of ways to sell. I don't want to diss teams, but how many actually care about six matchups next winter between Minnesota and Memphis or Atlanta and Milwaukee? Some do, but not enough people to produce Stern Cash. The league sells individual players, not teams, in most cases. So, let's put them more together.

In 1971, the NBA had 17 teams. Using a standard bell curve, about six of them were real Contenders, and about 6-8 were dogs, especially with the recent expansion then. Expansion partly accounted for some of the huge records posted in the early 1970s. The middle teams were simply also-rans. Today, there are 30 teams. About six of them are, again, actual contenders, about 6-8 are total dogs. So, what the NBA has increased in 35 years is it's number of also-rans. This is an increase of mediocrity, which cannot be credibly sold for long, no matter how you dress it up. Would you spend $75.00 to see Toronto 92, Indiana 86? How many would? So cut the season down to 60-65 games each, and cut the number of teams down to about 24. That way, we have fewer future cripples running it out in the fourth round of the playoffs and fewer meaningless games. Those players from downsized teams can then bolster the other rosters, improving the quality of the product.

2) Reduce the number of playoff games. People do not respond to six weeks of seven-game series. The NBA simply does not hold attention spans to that degree now. 1 vs. 8 is always a joke matchup, 2 vs. 7 usually same. Cut all the rounds to five games, using a 2-2-1 format. Then, hype the individual events as opposed to the quantity of games with lesser interest. The NFL makes this work with much less, and the NBA pales big-time in comparison to that league. Less, when it is credible, can be much more.

3) Make a decision regarding the league's culture. It's either hip-hop with baggy pants or it's not. Sort of either does not define the product. Whatever the NBA once was as recently as the 1980s, it is much different now. Run with it or completely against it.

The reason I say this again goes to credibility. Many white American fans and players today are somewhat locked out of today's NBA. Some can appreciate it for what it wants to be: the urban culture and the related theater that is today's game experience. But the league cannot be all things to all people without diluting itself. If it is Afro-Americans, South Americans and white Euros, then call it that. 

For me, the rule changes and the buildup of urban culture, which has pushed many white Americans outside of the league, if not the game as a whole, is simply bad business. How can you deliberately exclude millions of Americans, where all the games are played, and expect to find more money? Bring white Americans back, get a better team-oriented game that still features it's stars, and make the bigger buck. Everybody wins.

Also, enforce some rules and get rid of the star cards. Get rid of the on-court unprofessional nonsense. Traveling and hopping are illegal for a reason. It should not matter who does it. Again, this goes toward a credible product.

3) Minimum Age 21.  This will annoy some, but the truth is, the NBA is wrecking college and high school ball. The NCAA is not just a stepping stone, it is an entity unto itself. College programs cannot exist in upheaval every single year, dependent on hot freshman who are potentially-gifted, but clearly under-developed. Send the kids to real classes for their own good. Then, the NBA gets better, with more worldly pros who can better handle mountains of money. Better pros make a more credible league. The high schoolers are particularly tough to watch now. The odds of some 17-year old getting all the way there is slim and the roadside is littered with failed tries. Meanwhile, high school is gone forever. The NBA is actually hurting American education right now. That's ridiculous.

Not all kids are meant for college. Why have we forgotten this? If an 18-year-old wants to play pro ball, send them to the NBADL and the summer leagues. Then, they can polish their game, grow up a little, and still earn a decent real-world check. 

4) Give the fans their game back.  Back in the 1960s, the NBA had a slew of neutral site games for it's teams. The NBA might actually come to Cincinnati, St. Louis, Kansas City, Dayton, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Toledo, Las Vegas, Nashville and elsewhere. Games even came to smaller towns than that back then. The NBA has real opportunities by scheduling some events in non-league cities. These are events which can be promoted. Mexico City, London, Tokyo and elsewhere present similar huge opportunities. Why does Sacramento need every single one of it's home games? Some of these games would be simple good will, but some would be huge super events. Here again is more money, which is the idea, right?

Also, leave some tickets at the window, would you? Knock the prices down a little. $8 hot dogs are ridiculous. Let Joe Sixpack take his kid to the game again. Turn the deafening music and blaring lights down too. Let's watch the actual game going on, not the circus going on around it.  The game is the main thing, right?

5) Network a little. To watch each of the leagues right now, they all seem to be competing hard against each other. In fact, none of them can be all things. All are brands in the aisle. Some will gain a given customer or miss him or her. So, let's work together. The NFL, MLB, NHL and NBA all occupy some common turf. Some even still share facilities. Why not spread the limelight around and co-operate a little more for a larger common dollar? Someday, your NBA team may need the boost back that it gives today.

As far as what the NBA can give to young people, schools, social issues and more, the NBA and other leagues have an opportunity to leave a good footprint. More than just a few checks given in public ceremonies, the NBA can speak and represent. It can shine light where it is needed. Something that consistently does good is always worth buying in my book. It's good business.

That's about it for now. Hopefully, some things for NBA fans to consider. Thanks.     


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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
500 days ago
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The playoffs definitely need to be shortened. They have more time off in between playoff games than they do regular season games. That never made sense to me. I don't care if they still play seven games, just do it smarter. The playoffs seem to last just as long as the damn regular season.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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I'm gonna focus on your age requirement because it is what bugs me the most. Denying able bodied adults from making a living how they choose is not just un-American. It's anti-free market, it's anti- capitalism and while not unconstitutional (see Clarrett vs. National Football League)is unethical.

Once a man or women turns 18 they should be allowed to work in what every profession their skills are most desired. That holds true for the National Basketball Association, Major League Baseball or Lockheed Martin.

If the NBA continues to disallow 18 year olds from being drafted then they are going to start to follow Brandon Jennings to Europe and that's just what the league needs - it's best talent going overseas.

If you want to kill the league make players wait until 21. If you want it to thrive like most businesses do in free market then you allow the teams to take risk as they see fit and allow those who are paid to make basketball decisions, make basketball decisions.

You're right about the NCAA not being a stepping stone, players shouldn't be forced into their ranks. As a matter of fact if you have no interest in obtaining a degree you shouldn't be going to college, you should be in the D-League or in Europe. But we shouldn't encourage those who don't want to go to college to go to Europe, we should expand the minor leagues and give talent more of an opportunity in their formative years (18-22) to develop at home in the right way.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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And the NBA isn't hurting American Education - American insititutions who are more concerned with making money then educating students is the problem. I dislike how you portray the NCAA as this innocent minnow, beholden to the will of the NBA - they are a willing participant to the destruction of the education system. Universities are only concerned with using an athletes eligibility years to sell tickets then they leave you hanging out to dry. It's a dirty two handed process in which both the NBA AND NCAA are involved.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
500 days ago
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Do you ever wonder what would've happened had LeBron been forced into college?
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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Lebron would of gone to Ohio State, become even closer friends to Maurice Clarrett and prolly in worse shape for it.
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Taytay 24All-American
500 days ago
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Can we come up with a better argument against this than "they're eighteen, they can do what they want"? There is nothing magical about eighteen, and there are plenty of jobs that an eighteen year old is not qualified for. Personally, I'm still kind of on the fence regarding the NBA's "one and done" rule, but if "they're eighteen" is the best argument available for letting them in, I'm not convinced.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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It is more then them being eighteen. If your 18 and the GM of FC Barcalona thinks you have the skills for the game, he can sign you. Now why can't that same kid be allowed to sign a contract in his home country? Why can't he be drafted by the Lakers and put on the D-Fenders for 2 years until he is ready for Showtime?
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Taytay 24All-American
500 days ago
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If a league chooses to allow eighteen year olds, that's fine. But if they choose not to, it's not a violation of their human rights or something. Again, I'm not convicted one way or the other, but it's going to take more than that to sway me over.
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JuTMSY4Legend
500 days ago
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1)In a bubble, I agree with LASB...if you're an adult, no on should really deny you the right to do something...that being said, if an NBA franchise wants college grads (for some reason) I'm fine with that as well...(just like any other job)...

Problem is, NBA franchises want the best talent, not the smartest talent (per se)

Why rip basketball for this and not baseball...the only difference is baseball really does require a lot more refining of skill (which totally links to Falcon's point about hitting a baseball being the hardest thing in sports for how often it must be done)...

If players had to go to the NBADL (because they needed to get better) then no one would have a problem...but because they come out and make millions, people are upset...because they may suck...but that's not much different than the NFL, except those players did play roughly 2 to 3 years of college (maybe more...)
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JuTMSY4Legend
500 days ago
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Tay, I think the reason you don't feel to bad about the NBA blocking them is because of the alternative...free college boo-friggin'-hoo...I agree
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Taytay 24All-American
500 days ago
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Perhaps that is a factor. But I think most of it stems from the right of an employer to decide what job requirements they are looking for. And I'm not necessarily for it, but I'm not opposed to it either. It is what it is, and I can live with that either way, but I do think it is the NBA's right, as an employer, to choose.
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JuTMSY4Legend
500 days ago
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not much different than asking for a college degree and/or experience I suppose...
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Taytay 24All-American
500 days ago
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Exactly. I couldn't have become a teacher without a bachelors degree, and my wife certainly wasn't getting her job without a PhD.
Of course, this isn't to say that the rare athlete isn't ready at eighteen. But if the league is going to set parameters for everyone, their restriction is reasonable.
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CrackajgDraft Pick
499 days ago
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If your old enough to die for your country, than your old enough to play in a professional sporting league. I will defend that belief until the day I die.
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Taytay 24All-American
499 days ago
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Why, Crackajg? What does one have to do with the other?
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CrackajgDraft Pick
499 days ago
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They have everything to do with the other. If your old enough to consciously make a decision to put your life up for your country, than your old enough to consciously make a decision to enter professional sports. They both have to do with the emotional maturity to choose a path for your future. If it's legal to do one, why not the other?
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Taytay 24All-American
499 days ago
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So when I was 18 with all my "emotional maturity", I should have had the right to demand a job as a teacher? After all, if I can fight terrorism, I can handle a classroom, right? Is that how the logic goes?


Your argument sounds patriotic and all, but it's rather empty. First of all, a lot of kids in active duty don't have the emotional maturity to handle that, either, which is why we are seeing a sharp increase in homelessness, mental disorder, etc in returned vets.


Second, while it is certainly a factor, the NBA is looking for more than "emotional maturity" in their players. As Bt534 has said several times, this is really about giving teams a better sample of a player's abilities before they invest in them. They are looking for talent, skill set, size, mental toughness, character, etc, in addition to your emotional maturity. As an employer, if the NBA wants to require players to be 19, they have every right to do so.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
499 days ago
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The problem with you argument is that at 18 no one was offering you a teaching job. But, highschool basketball players are being offered a job.
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Taytay 24All-American
499 days ago
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Actually, they aren't being offered a job either. That's kind of what this whole thing is about.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
499 days ago
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The NBA is not their employer. The team owners are. If the owners and GMs are drafting the players strait out of highschool then it be reasonable to assume that they feel they have grasp on the players "talent, skill set, size, mental toughness, character, etc, in addition to [your] emotional maturity"
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Steel TownDraft Pick
499 days ago
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Then explain why the NBA made an age requirement in the first place. A number of players have come strait out of highschool.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
499 days ago
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So your saying these guys weren't offered a job strait out of highschool at 18????? 1962 NBA Draft • Reggie Harding, Detroit Eastern High School, Detroit, Michigan (1962, drafted a second time in 1963) 1974 ABA Draft • Moses Malone, Petersburg High School, Petersburg, Virginia (1974, made his NBA debut in 1976) 1975 NBA Draft • Darryl Dawkins, Maynard Evans High School, Orlando, Florida (1975) 1976 NBA Draft • Bill Willoughby, Dwight Morrow High School, Englewood, New Jersey (1976) 1989 NBA Draft • Shawn Kemp, Concord High School, Elkhart, Indiana (1989, attended University of Kentucky and Trinity Valley Community College but did not play college basketball. Was kicked off the University of Kentucky basketball team after pawning a teammate's necklace.) 1995 NBA Draft • #5 Kevin Garnett, Farragut Career Academy, Chicago, Illinois (1995) 1996 NBA Draft • #13 Kobe Bryant, Lower Merion High School, Lower Merion Township, Pennsylvania (1996) • #17 Jermaine O'Neal, Eau Claire High School, Columbia, South Carolina (1996) 1997 NBA Draft • #9 Tracy McGrady, Mt. Zion Christian Academy, Durham, North Carolina (1997) • #42 Stephen Jackson, Oak Hill Academy, Mouth of Wilson, Virginia (2000, attended Butler Community College but did not play college basketball) 1998 NBA Draft • #25 Al Harrington, St. Patrick High School, Elizabeth, New Jersey (1998) • #32 Rashard Lewis, Alief Elsik High School, Houston, Texas (1998) • #40 Korleone Young, Hargrave Military Academy, Chatham, Virginia (1998) 1999 NBA Draft • #5 Jonathan Bender, Picayune Memorial High School, Picayune, Mississippi (1999) • #29 Leon Smith, Martin Luther King High School, Chicago, Illinois (2001) 2000 NBA Draft • #3 Darius Miles, East St. Louis High School, East St. Louis, Illinois (2000) • #23 DeShawn Stevenson, Washington Union High School, Fresno, California (2000) 2001 NBA Draft • #1 Kwame Brown, Glynn Academy, Brunswick, Georgia (2001) • #2 Tyson Chandler, Dominguez High School, Compton, California (2001) • #4 Eddy Curry, Thornwood High School, South Holland, Illinois (2001) • #8 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy, Mouth of Wilson, Virginia (2001) • #46 Ousmane Cisse, Saint Jude Montgomery High School, Montgomery, Alabama (yet to appear in an NBA game) 2002 NBA Draft • #9 Amare Stoudemire, Cypress Creek High School, Orlando, Florida (2002) 2003 NBA Draft • #1 LeBron James, St. Vincent - St. Mary High School, Akron, Ohio (2003) • #23 Travis Outlaw, Starkville High School, Starkville, Mississippi (2003) • #26 Ndudi Ebi, Westbury Christian School, Houston, Texas (2003) • #27 Kendrick Perkins, Clifton J. Ozen High School, Beaumont, Texas (2003) • #48 James Lang, Central Park Christian High School, Birmingham, Alabama (2006) 2004 NBA Draft • #1 Dwight Howard, Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy, Atlanta, Georgia (2004) • #4 Shaun Livingston, Peoria Central High School, Peoria, Illinois (2004) • #12 Robert Swift, Bakersfield High School, Bakersfield, California (2004) • #13 Sebastian Telfair, Abraham Lincoln High School (New York), Brooklyn, New York (2004) • #15 Al Jefferson, Prentiss High School, Prentiss, Mississippi (2004) • #17 Josh Smith, Oak Hill Academy, Mouth of Wilson, Virginia (2004) • #18 J.R. Smith, Saint Benedict's Preparatory School, Newark, New Jersey (2004) • #19 Dorell Wright, Leuzinger High School, Lawndale, California (2004) 2005 NBA Draft • #6 Martell Webster, Seattle Preparatory School, Seattle, Washington (2005) • #10 Andrew Bynum, St. Joseph High School, Metuchen, New Jersey (2005) • #18 Gerald Green, Gulf Shores Academy, Houston, Texas (2006) • #34 C.J. Miles, Skyline High School, Dallas, Texas (2005) • #40 Monta Ellis, Lanier High School, Jackson, Mississippi (2005) • #45 Louis Williams, South Gwinnett High School, Snellville, Georgia (2005) • #49 Andray Blatche, South Kent Preparatory School, South Kent, Connecticut (2005) • #56 Amir Johnson, Westchester High School, Los Angeles, California (2006)
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Taytay 24All-American
499 days ago
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I really don't have the time or desire to argue this with you, Steel Town. Why the league made the rule is irrelevant. They can, and they did. End of story. You don't have to like it (and I've said in other comments that I'm personally undecided on it), but there it is nonetheless. I'm just pointing out that if someone is really against this, they would do well to come up with a better argument than the tired cop-out that equates military service with playing in the NBA.
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Taytay 24All-American
499 days ago
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No, Steel Town, I'm not saying those guys weren't offered contracts at eighteen. I'm saying they aren't now. And if you really want an answer to your question of why the NBA has done this, take a look at your list again.
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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If I'm an NBA GM, and I didn't have a top ten pick yesterday, I would have passed. There is no one in the draft, INCLUDING the top ten, who will be a kickass superstar. (The fact the second and fifth picks have already been traded justifies my statement). Why should I, as an employer, hire someone I don't want? And commit to paying him millions of guaranteed money when he can't help me?

Fact that. I'd rather pick a guy out of the D-League, or someone off waivers who can actually play 12-15 minutes a game and contribute. Eighteen, nineteen year old kids today have no respect for authority. Look at how they dress. Pants halfway down their ass, backwards baseball hats, and now we're going to give these mental midgets fame and fortune? Scares the shit out of me, I can tell you.

And look at the quality of play. The NBA today is the worst its ever been. Most games are unwatchable. Kids grow up playing and emulating Michael and AI and Kobe, and think all there is to basketball is scoring points. Pass? Hell, no, bro. Play defense? Defense? Yeah, we have one around our yard to keep the dog from running into the street. Oh, you mean actually guard someone? How the fack do you do that?

The reason the game sucks is because half the league can't play. Tim Beckham, the first overall pick in the baseball draft, is playing Rookie ball in Princeton, West Virgina, and is, by all accounts, at least three years and possibly four years away from the major leagues. He's set for life because of his signing bonus, but his salary is the same as everyone else's, about $1200 a month.

College is the minor league system for the NBA and NFL. A school will offer a kid a scholly to come and play, if he doesn't go to class, so be it. He's learning his craft, which is sports, the university is making money off the kid, so everyone is even.

18 year old kids can't graduate from high school and become brain surgeons or the CEO of McDonalds. Their only qualified to flip burgers at McDonalds. They need to play four years in the minor leagues or at a D-1 school to hone their crafts. Every corporation, including the NBA, has the right to set the age limits on their employees, just like McDonalds does. The NBA limit is too low, and the product is suffering because of it.

That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Deal with it.
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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I think you're really far off base with some of those comments KD...

1) the whole baggy pants equating to being a "mental midget" is a bit too far

2) I don't think the NBA has a right to pass an age limit...in fact I think its questionabley illegal. No other company (that I'm aware of) has an age limit. In fact, I know that is illegal. What you can limit though, is experience. You want someone to have experience (college?) then so be it...but an age limit just seems disjointed and illogical to me
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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Its a reflection of society, JuT.

As a business owner, by law, I have to accept every employment request from every individual old enough to work according to state law.

There is no law which says I can't throw the facking thing in the trash when he/she leaves because he dressed like he was on his way to a kegger.

So, lets do this then. Lets make the age 18. But make it mandatory for the kids to attend NBA sanctioned classes. How to deal with the media. How to dress in public as a representative of your employer (NBA). How to handle money, balance a checkbook, tip a cab driver, etc.

I don't give a crap if some kid who applies at my place can pass the bar exam, or even the SAT's. I only care if he takes a bath everyday, can count money, and has an acceptable business appearance.
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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Sure, JuT. Dressing like that is a sign of intelligence. I get it now.
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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I'm just saying it sounds really racist...just my interpretation...

Do i think I'd ever dress like that, especially in a professional setting? No...

But then again, the NBA does have rules about dress...but what someone wears on their own time is their business.

You care how someone appears when they work for you because they're a relection of you and your business...that's fair...but you really don't have a right to regulate how someone dresses when they're at home...
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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A class on "how to dress in public" is ridiculous...

You want classes on professionalism, how to deal with the media and what not...I agree, 100%, great idea (and i think the NFL has something similar...if not, some teams do)...

but dressing in public? come on
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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MLB and the NFL do it JuT, why not the NBA?
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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Please enlighten me to how criticizing someone over how they dress is racist?
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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So, then, am I to assume the "large insurance company" you work for doesn't have an employee dress code?
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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When you're working for an NBA team you wear a uniform...(unless your injured, then you have to follow their dresscode to sit by the team)...

Beyond that, expecting someone to dress (the way you want) at 9pm in July on their own time is ridiculous...


You care how someone appears when they work for you because they're a relection of you and your business...that's fair...but you really don't have a right to regulate how someone dresses when they're at home...

That's what I said...I'm just not sure how its unclear...

And as far as this comment: Eighteen, nineteen year old kids today have no respect for authority. Look at how they dress. Pants halfway down their ass, backwards baseball hats, and now we're going to give these mental midgets fame and fortune? Scares the shit out of me, I can tell you.

I'm sorry, but where I grew up, this is all i heard...I would never dress that way, but I don't think its fair for anyone to expect others to dress the way they do, just because they think its stupid

And yes, at my work, I have to wear a tie...and I take it off as soon as I get home...I've got not problem with a dress code at work...or when you're representing work...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
499 days ago
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"So, lets do this then. Lets make the age 18. But make it mandatory for the kids to attend NBA sanctioned classes. How to deal with the media. How to dress in public as a representative of your employer (NBA). How to handle money, balance a checkbook, tip a cab driver, etc."


Can we just make all of that part of high school curriculum? This problem is not just with the NBA.
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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I did take a required Personal finance class...I don't really understand how someone doesn't know how to balance a checkbook (i do it religiously) that being said, its kinda going the way of the dinosaur
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False ProphetAll-Star
499 days ago
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KD-

It's racist to say that because the style originates from a very racially based set of circumstances.

The baggy pants? Originates from the 70s and 80s in the ghetto where people couldn't afford many things. They were stuck wearing pants that were too small for them to pull up to their waste. The Hats? Same thing. They wore them further back and sideways so they could fit it on there head. The chains? If you had something of value, you wanted to show it off. You showed your wealth as a status symbol. Just as whites will drive fancy cars around to flaunt their wealth, residents of the ghetto would flaunt their jewelry around to show that they had some money. They also wore it because they really didn't have a place to store it. Homes got broken into and robbed, and not bank in the United States would take their business. Michael Moore touched on this in his book Stupid White Men where he spoke about segregation and racism. Simply put, the "whites only" signs were taken down, but that's about it for change. The banks would find new reasons not to accept deposits from people.

In the same way that Rappers today use profanity and very heavy ebonics because they try to emulate the Ghetto Rap culture started by NWA as an attempt by former ghetto residents back to their peers in the ghetto about what's going on in terms they understood, the baggy clothes and jewelry represents a style that emulates a historical period. It's not a quest to be like the old ghetto, but rather, a symbolic gesture to support the black culture and to not accept that the White way is the only way to go. Even if the NBA players don't have a deep knowledge of the history that surrounds the culture they embrace, they at the minimum understand that it's a part of black history, and is a way to embrace their culture and their history, just as we do things to embrace our history.
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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Come to Arizona and fill out an application at my place.

I will not hire you if:

You dress isn't professional;

You have any piercings;

You have any visible tatoos;

You smoke;

In the middle of the interview, your cell phone rings;

You can't talk without using street slang;

(Sorry, OMG or LOL are not words)
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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We're talking about two totally different things...

Did you see anyone dressed in baggy clothes last night...no they were in suits...how about injured players during the finals? Nope, professional dress.

We're not talking about inteviewing for a job...and if you're interviewing for an NBA team (AKA working out), you're wearing sweats, shorts and jerseys...

But from the sounds of it, you want to regulate how they dress all the time...and that's not only not plausible...but just amoral in my mind. Its a question of liberty...

It (should be) is common sense to dress appropriately for an interview...but what if the guy who works for you is mowing his lawn...how do you want him to dress...is he representing your company then?

What about on the weekends if/when he has off...
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False ProphetAll-Star
499 days ago
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Like Justin said, professional is all relative. And I also agree with them that not only is it wrong to regulate how they dress away from the job, but I'd guess it's illegal.
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SSreportersLegend
499 days ago
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Race isn't an issue in this case FP (and guess what? Have you seen the increasing number of white kids lately dressing?).


My father wore uniforms to school all the way up to his high school, there has to be a degree of professionalism. Do you have to look like a middle-class entrepreneur who buys his suits at the Men's Warehouse? No. However, if you're going in like some of the schoolkids I see (and not even at my school mind you), why would anyone take you seriously?
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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you should see what some of the girls wear to college classes...its friggin' great...

Honestly, its important to be professional when needed (i do it all the time)...but in the NBA's case, it's absolutely about race...

and you think high school kids are worried about looking professional in 10th grade...haha

Then again, they're kids and they're growing up...you just can't fault someone who needs to learn...

that being said, I don't like the way some people dress...but I absolutly respect their right to do it...doesn't mean I don't judge (consciously or sub-consciously)....but I know they have a right to...
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False ProphetAll-Star
499 days ago
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another example:

Last week, for my internship, we had some statewide training seminars. You were to dress casual, but represent your area. I work for probably the wealthiest congressional district in minnesota, so I had to wear a nice shirt tucked into some kakhis/nice shorts and a belt. The people who came from upstate Minnesota didn't have to dress that way, because they're not from an area that has the status as the western minneapolis suburbs.

In the NBA, we having players wear suits on their way to games/team events, and workout clothes/jersey when they're practicing. In the NFL, they dress nice away from the game in public, but in interviews, its acceptable to wear a team t-shirt and shorts/jeans, because they just finished playing a game that requires a lot of different equipment and in a lot of cases, they haven't showered. Same for other sports. In baseball, when a player's at a big time event, they wear a suit. But when a player goes on ESPN, on a day off, it's fine to wear whatever provided they don't look like crap, because they're not on the job, and they're human.
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SSreportersLegend
499 days ago
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I live in a city where the women at the coffee stands are wearing pasties or even the minimum of scarfs covering their fun bags and the other women don't complain, that's friggin paradise! ;-)
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SSreportersLegend
499 days ago
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I'm confused, Kels was talking about not hiring someone because of the way they dress, now you're talking about player's dressing off the job?
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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I was talking about players clothes off the job the whole time...

its pretty clear what they wear on the job (and off the court w/ the NBA dress code)...

I jsut don't know what else he could be talking about
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SSreportersLegend
499 days ago
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Okay, that's not an issue then....


Just* JuT.....
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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Assuming professional dress at games/practice is shorts, jerseys, sweatpants, etc

Then, I think its absolutely reasonable to expect players to dress professional (business casual/formal...whatever it may be) at team and NBA related functions (depending...on the function...whereas a basketball camp would still require workout clothes...but you get the idea)...

beyond that, I think its boorish to expect an NBA player to not be able to wear want he wants during the offseason at the grocery store (or what have you)...even if it is baggy pants and a backwards hat or whatever...
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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FP, that might be the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read.
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SSreportersLegend
499 days ago
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Would you mind justifying that statement KD?
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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Seems pretty self explanatory to me, SS
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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Kelsdad...you're like the twilight zone version of my dad...its uncanny...
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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Thanks for the compliment, JuT.
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False ProphetAll-Star
499 days ago
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and KD, thanks for taking the time to insult me and what I have to say without any basis or explanation whatsoever. I really appreciate it.
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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I said your comment was full of shit, FP, nowhere in the statement is that directed at you personally. If you did take it personally, that is your problem.

Calling someone out because I don't like the way they dress, or because they have red hair, or because they're overweight may be, to some people ignorant, and I respect their opinion.

It is not, in any way, shape or form, racist.

Wearing your hat sideways or tilted because it doesn't fit? How about buying one that fits?

Pants don't fit? Ever hear of a belt?

Ask your parents or grandparents about music in the late '40's and '50's. That "street music", with a cappella singing and harmonies, is the origin of rap. The garbage on the radio today is noise, it is far from what rap is intended to be.
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False ProphetAll-Star
498 days ago
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yeah KD, because when you live in the fucking ghetto, you really can afford to buy new things.

Rap started long before even your grandparents were born. You'd have to go back to before our nation even existed to find the roots of rap music. African folk songs and chants that evolved over time into slave songs about freedom and hope and then into blues, some of jazz, and R&B, and then Hip-Hop. To claim that rap started in the 40s and 50s is rediculous. In fact, white music from the 40s onward owes it's start and style to the black musicians that had been performing for generations before them.

Rap today started in the late 80s and early 90s with Ice T and NWA (or even to go a bit further back, Iceburg Slim). When Ice T wrote "6 n the mornin'", he lifted the beat and style of the song "Park Side Killers" and made it into a hit. Then NWA came around and really revolutionized rap music. They got the ball rolling with gangsta rap, which were, like the music of generations before of african americans, in essence, a public service message to those who were still being held down by something (poverty, in this case), and used their words to tell a story of injustice. Modern rap (minus Eminem, who's really just the modern day version of Catcher in the Rye) that you'll hear on the radio is written by posers who wish they could be like NWA or Ice T.
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KelsdadAll-Star
498 days ago
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What the fuck do you know about living in the ghetto, Mr. Bothmyparentsarelawyers?

I thought so. Let's stop the lecturing, OK, FP?

All your life experiences come from a book, or from living through other people's lives. Try getting one of your own before trying to act like you know what you're talking about.
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False ProphetAll-Star
498 days ago
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KD, I obviously know more than you do about this. I'm not the moron who suggested that if someone lives in the ghetto they should just go out and buy whatever the hell they need at the store, am I? Cuz that makes a lot of sense! In fact, why the hell is anyone in poverty in need of anything? Why can't they just go down the street to the grocery store and pick up dinner, and then go across the street and get some new clothes? OH YEAH, that's why they live in poverty or in the ghetto, isn't it KD? Because they can't afford anything. And you're telling me to shut up...
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KelsdadAll-Star
498 days ago
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No, FP, you don't. You are living a dream of knowledge which doesn't exist. You misinterpret what people say because you don't have the experiences to understand what is being said.

I never said anything about hand me down's, which, I assume, rich boy, you've never had to wear. I have. My statement was about buying the hat, if you can afford to buy one, then buy one that fits. Kids today buy hats intentionally bigger because that's the style. Kids buy clothes today intentionally made to be baggy because companies market them that way to make money.

You're arguing again just to argue FP.
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KelsdadAll-Star
498 days ago
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FP, forget something?
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False ProphetAll-Star
498 days ago
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KD, I'm just not going to argue with you right now. I've got more important things to do with my life than convince a crotchety old man from Phoenix that his heterogeneous knowledge of chapters of history are wrong.
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KelsdadAll-Star
498 days ago
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Sure, OK.

You can't convince me I'm wrong, you have to prove it. Which you can't do, because I'm not.

Have a nice weekend.
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False ProphetAll-Star
498 days ago
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And KD,

I know I cannot understand the life of poverty. It's something that will be always beyond my reach in terms of total comprehension.

However, it does not mean I cannot seek to gain more knowledge, trying to close the infinitely large group of knowledge I miss because of my background. I cannot control who I am. I am who I am, and will always be a white male who grew up in suburban minnesota and attended a private high school. I can, however, use this as a reason to understand more about what I cannot experience. I can do my part to ensure that at least one less person on this planet is unaware of what his surroundings are.

You seem to think, Kelsdad, that because of who one is, they can only inherently gain a set group of knowledge. This is false. I seek what I cannot ever comprehend fully because it helps me understand my place in society. You seem to criticize and avoid the quest to become as close to understanding of what you cannot experience, as you fear not completing said journey. This is why you always reject those who aren't able to see everything about what they speak of.

The point of all of this is that despite the fact that you're right, I cannot ever understand completely the live of poverty, I can, however, seek to make my understanding of those less fortunate moreso than I would otherwise. This is where you're wrong. I can have knowledge without knowing all. It is possible to know part of something, and not all of it. This is my point, and I find it extremely bizzare that you reject this notion
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KelsdadAll-Star
498 days ago
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"I seek what I cannot ever comprehend fully because it helps me understand my place in society" So, your point of always arguing is what, exactly?
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Taytay 24All-American
500 days ago
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Clearly your heart is in the right place, but I don't see how many of these changes improve the league.


Contraction/shortening the season would improve overall quality, but not enough to make up for the revenue lost from the cancelled games and venues. How many people would actually say "Wow! Now that there are only 24 teams, I think I'll go watch a game!" I don't see that happening. The same is true for shortening the playoffs: Less games = less revenue.
League culture? Have you been to an NBA game lately? Who do you see? Answer: a lot of white people. Sure, there are complaints about a "thug image" from time to time, but clearly it isn't keeping whites away.
Minimum age: LASB has already addressed this, but I will add this: How is the NBA hurting high schools? You could make a case for colleges, but to say they are hurting high schools and "American education" is quite a stretch.
You call for holding games in alternate locales. While I am personally not opposed to this, most would argue against it as taking the game away from the fans (see NFL in London this past season). I find it odd you suggest the opposite. As for prices being too high: Supply, meet Demand. Demand, Supply.
Networking with other leagues is not a bad idea per se, but is there any real benefit? Doesn't ESPN et al basically already do that anyway?


Again, I think your heart is in the right place, and the league certainly isn't perfect (although it isn't as bad as you imply). But I don't know if these ideas are real solutions. In fact, they might create other problems.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
500 days ago
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I don't know that he meant taking games overseas. I think he meant taking games to other parts of certain states a la the Green Bay Packers playing games at County Stadium in Milwaukee for years. This is probably a decent idea, but it'll never fly with the NBA.
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Taytay 24All-American
500 days ago
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He mentioned Mexico City, London and Tokyo specifically. But you are right in that he also mentioned other US cities without a team. Even at that though, the point is the same: a game is taken away from a home market. While this may be a plus for the visited location, it is a minus for the home fans, particularly season ticket holders.
Like you, I am not personally opposed to it, but as you said, I fail to see how this benefits the NBA.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
500 days ago
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Ha, I'm really tired, forgive me.
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Taytay 24All-American
500 days ago
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No blood, no foul.
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JuTMSY4Legend
500 days ago
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For the record, this is an excellent article Jerjets...thought provoking, interesting and worthy of debate... Even if I/we disagree, I'm glad you wrote it...deserves more votes!
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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JuT, again it's less about the fact that they are "adults" or "just turned eighteen" it's the fact that they are required to go to college when they have no buisness or interest in college.

The only reason they are forced to go is because the NBA hasn't split with the NCAA and that is only because the NCAA doesn't want it's cash cow to go bye-bye.

Meanwhile you can go to a former socailist (Russia) or current communist (China) country or anywhere in Europe and make a living right out of high school doing what you're best at, playing basketball.

While we force players on to college campus' to play the charade, international players are picking up expereience and developing by leaps and bounds.

Brandon Jennings is about to set the precident that will in short order (meaning 10-12 years) bring down NCAA Basketball. Sure some kids will still play stints in college due to tradition, or family or other personal reasons. However those who want to get better will go overseas. Losing your top young talent to the Euroleague is good for no one.

So why lose the players when we couuld keep them if it weren't for a useless facking rule that forces players to colleges?

Someone for facks sake explain to me why forcing kids to college is a good thing for anyone other then the Colleges who make money off of it? It's bad for the players health risk, it's bak for the classroom and it further fets up the false bravado of "student-athlete" in Basketball and to an extent Football????
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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I mean all I hear is "what's so bad with going to college"? That's fine if you're going to a job that will give you a benifit by getting a degreee - but these kids are going the majority of the time 1 or 2 years and doing just enough to stay enrolled. There is nothing positive out of the system we currently have and increasing the size of the system will only turn out more OJ Mayo stories (see Rodney Guillory) and less Elton Brands (4 year graduate)
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JuTMSY4Legend
500 days ago
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I'd like to start out with this... There are lots of jobs that require college degrees that you definitely don't need a degree for.
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JuTMSY4Legend
500 days ago
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And none of them are required to go to college...i believe the rule is, you need to be 19 or something...
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KelsdadAll-Star
500 days ago
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Brilliantly stated, LA. However, there is a caveat which goes along with the subject. The rule is in place not to force kids to go to college, it is in place to keep kids who aren't NBA ready from declaring their eligibility, and thus forfeiting any future NCAA playing rights.

For every LeBron James, there are a hundred Bill Willoughby's. Most of these kids need a couple years college ball, either they haven't matured physically or mentally, or there is at least one aspect of their game which is lacking.

By declaring for the draft, a kid forfeits future playing rights in college. He goes to camp, gets cut, and his career is over. It's better for the kid to go the college route first, get himself mentally and physically better prepared for the NBA, then declare. If he doesn't make it, at least he's halfway to his degree, instead of selling crack on a street corner, he can go back to school and get a degree and become a useful member of society.
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KelsdadAll-Star
500 days ago
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Including the one you have?
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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if you're talking to me Kels, than my answer is sorta...I don't think you'd need a degree per se...but 18 year old Justin could not have done this job...many of the things i learned in college I actually do apply... of course, part of my college education was co-ops (ask Davis about it, he does it to)...soooooo
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Bt534Waterboy
500 days ago
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Lets be clear about a few things:

1) the NBA did not institute the 1 year our of high school rule for the good of the players. That rule is in affect to give NBA Gm's a better look at these kids and help them make a more informed decision. And the rule does that!!! 2) Just because 1 prospect is going to play in Europe does NOT mean it will become a trend that will ruin college basketball. Guys like Rick Patino and John Calapari are good at what they do for a reason. They will ALWAYS convince kids to play for them. College coaches are the greatest salesman in the world. While they can not convince kids to forgo going to the NBA, they can certainly convince a kid who grew up in inner city Chicago that he would not be happy in China!!! 3) the way to solve this problem is for colleges to pay its players. We all agree that everyone makes money from them except themselves and that is what is unfair (although i worry about colleges bidding on players out of HS)

4) Please stop saying that a kid should not be denyed employment in the NBA when he turns 18. The NBA is a PRIVATE business. It can deny whoever it wants employment for any reason it chooses, and it certainly does not have to be fair abour it. Its easy to critisize David Stern, but his JOB is to grow the game, and having a bunch of 18 year olds on the bench for 2 years does not do that!
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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I'm not saying they are being denied employment by the NBA, I'm using the NBA as the example we have on hand. It is more of a "free market" issue for me then "they can't get into the NBA" issue.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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But if we want our kids to go overseas to make the money they desire they will, it's a matter of time.
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KelsdadAll-Star
500 days ago
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Colleges do pay their players. Its called a scholarship.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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I can't feed my family or put gas in my car with "scholarship" I can however with Rubels, Euros, Pounds, or if you prefer American Dollars.
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Bt534Waterboy
500 days ago
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Unless scholarships feeds pples grandmothers, they are not getting paid. Also if i understand this correctly you are upset because americans are seeking employment in foreign countries because they cant get it in America, is that correct?
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KelsdadAll-Star
500 days ago
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Spoken like someone who wasn't a scholarship athlete in college.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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Ya, I suppose when you get down to the heart of it. Americans with desired skills can't get employment at their legal age in their home country so they are starting to outsource to Europe.... Ya outsourcing of our home-talent would be the root issue at hand here; as well as bastardizing our college system. Especially since it's needless.

I'm not against amatuer basketball, but those who in Prep-ball have shown the potential to be pros should be in the D-League or some other in-country "real" development league. The NCAA should be reserved for Students who also are talented enough to represent their college in competitiion.

The NBA needs a real farm system to bring their talent through. That's not to say they couldn't still draft from the NCAA or players who really want to go to college should be deined the opportunity. But that said - we shouldn't deny players who really want to go to college the opportunity by giving scholarships to Michael Beasley and OJ Mayo.

The two (NCAA and NBA) are hand in hand in this. By making the age limit 19, players only have Europe or 1 year of "pretend college" as viable options. You're 18 and it's 1 year lay over and you need to play aginst the best competition you can while only being held to a 1 year commitment (a Euroleague team would ask for a 2 year + contract) then abusing the college system is the logical way to go.

If the age limit is 18 they can go to Europe, go to College or go to (an improved) D-League to prepare to play for an NBA franchise. If they dropped their evil relationship with the NCAA the NBA could invest further into the D-League and then draft kids specifically to stash them on a D-League team to be called up later in their 3 year (plus team option) rookie contracts.

How does this make less sense then the system we currently run under?
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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and FYI Kelsdad I was awarded a scholarship to LA State for soccer in 2005. Gave it back and transfered later in the year for Soccer and Personal reasons. So there.
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KelsdadAll-Star
500 days ago
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Interesting, LA.

Comment wasn't directed to you.

So there.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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eggs on my face
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Bt534Waterboy
500 days ago
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Where do i even begin:

A) Mayo is taking the spot of a kid at USC???? That is only true in theory. In reality colleges dont accept a hard number of students. No college Dean has ever thought, man i would love to accept Steve Mathgeek, but OJ is pushing us over the accept limit. Be realistic!

B> evil relationship?? You have any idea how much $ this "evil relationship" makes for colleges to spend on Eductaion? (MILLIONS)

C> you just went to the other extreme. You just said that the best players wont be going to college they will be going to the new super D league and so now kids who dont make it dont get a backup plan (even if they are getting on by accident now)

D> you STILL missing the point. The rule is in affect to help NBA GM;s do there jobs better. NOT for the sake of these poor kids.

I agree that i hate the idea of american kids leaving the country to play ball beacuse of a lack of a viable option. But guess what, thousands of kids do this anyway if they are not good enough to make the NBA. So does that concern you just as much?
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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You can absolutely eat on a college scholarship...and besides how does the rest of idealist upwardly mobile america (myself included) do it...we have devilish college loans which make us take on a small mortgage to move up... Fact of the matter is, if someone offered to feed me and pay for school to work 40 hours a week + go to school it'd be a steal...
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KelsdadAll-Star
500 days ago
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Some 6'8" kid with whose vertical leap is higher than his IQ has three choices..

1) He plays in Europe. Not a good option. Money's decent, quality of life blows.

2) He can sell drugs or bag groceries at Kroger for six bucks an hour, or,

3) Go to college, for free.

If he selects option one, maybe he does come back after a couple years with an improved game and some cash in his pocket. Maybe he doesn't, in which case his only other option becomes #2.

If he selects option three, goes to school a couple years, maybe he doesn't have enough skills to be an NBA player, but his skills will allow him to be a star overseas, and thus earn MORE money in less time. Either way, he will never have to worry about option 2.
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Bt534Waterboy
500 days ago
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For someone who may or may not get drafted i completly agree that those are his options. For a kid that will definetly make the NBA his fourth option is to play in the D-leauge.

BTW, the problem with the image that the NBA has is that people assume every players is a "Some 6'8" kid with whose vertical leap is higher than his IQ" and whose only non basketball option is "He can sell drugs or bag groceries at Kroger for six bucks an hour"

That is the problem that David Stern needs to address, not the 19 year old age limit. Maybe a "how to conduct an interview without using the word UMMMM 6000 times" course would help?
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SSreportersLegend
500 days ago
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The 4th option is lie about your credentials and appear on a game show involving 5th graders.:)
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SSreportersLegend
500 days ago
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It's not ummmm, more like "you know, I was trying to, you know, post up on the, you know, guy down in the low block, you know and ummm, you know".
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LASportsblogAAA-er
500 days ago
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KD, me and you both know that those 18 year olds who really have their mind and efforts set on making the league aren't using any part of that "free" education, with the exception of a few. Many of them don't stay long enough to learn anything significant anyway. So let's stop pretending that they type of kid we are talking about is excited to get in a lecture hall and learn something so that they can have a "back up plan" because they aren't thinking that way, and that's not how they are going about their business.
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KelsdadAll-Star
500 days ago
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"That is the problem that David Stern needs to address, not the 19 year old age limit. Maybe a "how to conduct an interview without using the word UMMMM 6000 times" course would help." There is a program. It's called college.
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Bt534Waterboy
500 days ago
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I agree with you, I think the mandatory go to college rule is a good thing for the kids, even if they dont like it. That was my point.
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KelsdadAll-Star
500 days ago
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I'm not denying the right to the LeBron's of the world, LA. My fight is with the other 99.999% of the 18 year olds that will all of a sudden think they're good enough based on the fact they're tall or because they got a jump shot.

They sign with an agent, they lose their amateur status, they can never play college ball. What's the harm in following that trail in reverse for a year or two? In my opinion, there is no harm.

Let's compromise then. Let's make the eligiblity timeframe when a player's high school class graduates, which is usually 18 1/2 anyway.

However, if a kid signs a letter of intent, he is committed to TWO years. This forces him to go to class and EARN his money. And no matter how you slice it, a scholarship is money.
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Bt534Waterboy
500 days ago
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Also before anyone makes the arguement that if a player gets hurt.... They insure themselves, if they get hurt, they still get paid! (maybe not as much as they could have, but they do still get some decent bank)
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Jerjets11JV Squad
499 days ago
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Alot of good dialogue here. Thanks.

LA Sport, your point about the cash cow that is college sports is certainly well-taken. I didn't address culpability of colleges here, and I probably should have. Undoubtedly, as you state, the NCAA has huge, bigger issues than the NBA does. The NBA was the focus of the article. As for neutral site games, the idea is to use the games to reach potential customers who click past the league on cable or the internet. My opinion is that the NBA needs to be more event-driven, rather then running a slate of 2500 games with repetitive scenarios. The games themselves aren't the real money anyway. Some of them clearly sell, but some certainly don't. But if you move one Sacramento vs. Memphis game to Kansas City or Cincinnati, where one team in fact used to play, now you have something with buzz you can sell over. For some, that is an event, which creates new business. I also think some overseas games would be terrific for the same reason. Each team has 41 home games the way it sits currently. Each can give up a few for the overall betterment of the league.

The age issue is a real one, alot of good things said on it here. Thanks again.
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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None of them were "offered" jobs, ST. They petitioned the NBA or ABA to play, the leagues didn't come after them.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
499 days ago
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So your saying these guys weren't offered a job strait out of highschool at 18?????


1962 NBA Draft • Reggie Harding, Detroit Eastern High School, Detroit, Michigan (1962, drafted a second time in 1963) 1974 ABA Draft • Moses Malone, Petersburg High School, Petersburg, Virginia (1974, made his NBA debut in 1976) 1975 NBA Draft • Darryl Dawkins, Maynard Evans High School, Orlando, Florida (1975) 1976 NBA Draft • Bill Willoughby, Dwight Morrow High School, Englewood, New Jersey (1976) 1989 NBA Draft • Shawn Kemp, Concord High School, Elkhart, Indiana (1989, attended University of Kentucky and Trinity Valley Community College but did not play college basketball. Was kicked off the University of Kentucky basketball team after pawning a teammate's necklace.) 1995 NBA Draft • #5 Kevin Garnett, Farragut Career Academy, Chicago, Illinois (1995) 1996 NBA Draft • #13 Kobe Bryant, Lower Merion High School, Lower Merion Township, Pennsylvania (1996) • #17 Jermaine O'Neal, Eau Claire High School, Columbia, South Carolina (1996) 1997 NBA Draft • #9 Tracy McGrady, Mt. Zion Christian Academy, Durham, North Carolina (1997) • #42 Stephen Jackson, Oak Hill Academy, Mouth of Wilson, Virginia (2000, attended Butler Community College but did not play college basketball) 1998 NBA Draft • #25 Al Harrington, St. Patrick High School, Elizabeth, New Jersey (1998) • #32 Rashard Lewis, Alief Elsik High School, Houston, Texas (1998) • #40 Korleone Young, Hargrave Military Academy, Chatham, Virginia (1998) 1999 NBA Draft • #5 Jonathan Bender, Picayune Memorial High School, Picayune, Mississippi (1999) • #29 Leon Smith, Martin Luther King High School, Chicago, Illinois (2001) 2000 NBA Draft • #3 Darius Miles, East St. Louis High School, East St. Louis, Illinois (2000) • #23 DeShawn Stevenson, Washington Union High School, Fresno, California (2000) 2001 NBA Draft • #1 Kwame Brown, Glynn Academy, Brunswick, Georgia (2001) • #2 Tyson Chandler, Dominguez High School, Compton, California (2001) • #4 Eddy Curry, Thornwood High School, South Holland, Illinois (2001) • #8 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy, Mouth of Wilson, Virginia (2001) • #46 Ousmane Cisse, Saint Jude Montgomery High School, Montgomery, Alabama (yet to appear in an NBA game) 2002 NBA Draft • #9 Amare Stoudemire, Cypress Creek High School, Orlando, Florida (2002) 2003 NBA Draft • #1 LeBron James, St. Vincent - St. Mary High School, Akron, Ohio (2003) • #23 Travis Outlaw, Starkville High School, Starkville, Mississippi (2003) • #26 Ndudi Ebi, Westbury Christian School, Houston, Texas (2003) • #27 Kendrick Perkins, Clifton J. Ozen High School, Beaumont, Texas (2003) • #48 James Lang, Central Park Christian High School, Birmingham, Alabama (2006) 2004 NBA Draft • #1 Dwight Howard, Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy, Atlanta, Georgia (2004) • #4 Shaun Livingston, Peoria Central High School, Peoria, Illinois (2004) • #12 Robert Swift, Bakersfield High School, Bakersfield, California (2004) • #13 Sebastian Telfair, Abraham Lincoln High School (New York), Brooklyn, New York (2004) • #15 Al Jefferson, Prentiss High School, Prentiss, Mississippi (2004) • #17 Josh Smith, Oak Hill Academy, Mouth of Wilson, Virginia (2004) • #18 J.R. Smith, Saint Benedict's Preparatory School, Newark, New Jersey (2004) • #19 Dorell Wright, Leuzinger High School, Lawndale, California (2004) 2005 NBA Draft • #6 Martell Webster, Seattle Preparatory School, Seattle, Washington (2005) • #10 Andrew Bynum, St. Joseph High School, Metuchen, New Jersey (2005) • #18 Gerald Green, Gulf Shores Academy, Houston, Texas (2006) • #34 C.J. Miles, Skyline High School, Dallas, Texas (2005) • #40 Monta Ellis, Lanier High School, Jackson, Mississippi (2005) • #45 Louis Williams, South Gwinnett High School, Snellville, Georgia (2005) • #49 Andray Blatche, South Kent Preparatory School, South Kent, Connecticut (2005)

• #56 Amir Johnson, Westchester High School, Los Angeles, California (2006)
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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"Harding was a 7-footer and a high school legend. He led Eastern to three consecutive City Championships and twice was named as a high school All-American. Harding, who never attended college, unfortunately was ruled ineligible by the NBA to join the Pistons until his high school class had been graduated for one year. He bided his time by assuming various jobs in the Pistons’ organization and playing professionally for the Goose Tatum Harlem RoadKings.
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False ProphetAll-Star
499 days ago
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Here's my solution:

Make them all go through 2 years in college. Instead of having them all take classes they won't need, make them take classes that will help them in the NBA or just generally.

Examples:

make them take a general Econ course. Have them understand how to manage money, and how a business works. Nothing fancy, just basic money management and business.

Make them take a communications course. Teach them how to be presentable and to speak to the media (which I can imagine would scare the shit out of most people).

Make them take some general math/social science/science courses. Have them have just general knowledge in everything (thinking of a backup plan here, this way they can come back to school if they don't turn out and pick something to learn).

Have courses that teach leadership and teamwork. Similar to what I imagine a lot of offices do. This way they learn to develop teamwork and don't whine about not being able to shoot 100 times a game.

I could probably think of more, but this is what I think the college career should entail. A mix of general education and courses to help with their general knowledge.

Oh, and schedule classes around their games. Instead of finals for the top teams, make it the tournament. If they can demonstrate their skills, they pass. It'd need a lot of work, but I think it'd be useful.
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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I'm not gonna lie here...all of those "classes" you mentioned are supposed to be taken in high school...not economics per se, but at least in PA there is a general personal finance requirement (at least pre-no child left behind, there was) You really want D-1 colleges to have a "NBA" major?
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SSreportersLegend
499 days ago
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Your idea is nice but you're in a dreamworld.


You know all of those classes you just mentioned? Frankly if you read the story of Bill Gates, he has a high school education and never finished college (at least not to my knowledge), and somehow he's a billionaire.


Those things can be taught in high school, look at a place like British Columbia, in grade 10 they're learning how to balance checkbooks and that's what is in the provincial exams.
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SSreportersLegend
499 days ago
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Yeah I'm that slow that I just restated what JuT said.....
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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Bill Gates is a Harvard grad.

And if anyone ever uses Gates as an excuse to not go to college their full of shit. He went to harvard (the first time) for 3.5 years (7 semesters) and was one semester short of graduating but the chance to build MS-Dos was there and he strike while the iron was hot (it was a matter of timing)...that the whole thing happened 6 months later, no one would be talking about how Gates "never graduated"

He also finished his degree at a later point...

And he isn't "somehow" a billionaire...the guy's smart...real smart...
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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their = they're I'm not Bill Gates ; - )
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SSreportersLegend
499 days ago
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That was a sarcastic "somehow" JuT...


He is a very smart man indeed, he IS Microsoft (and we all love Windows Vista right? ;-)
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False ProphetAll-Star
499 days ago
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Justin, High school really doesn't do a lot of what they say it does. They're not expected to graduate, so I figure, why not go with it? Lets teach these guys how to be pros.

Sure, there are schools that have these type of classes in High School. then again, most of those players wouldn't need to worry if they flop in the NBA. They'll have done well enough in high school so they don't have to worry about it.

Maybe I am in a dreamworld, but lets make these guys learn how to do their job, like schools in Europe do. If you want to be a pastry chef, you don't go to any school in europe you want, you go to a school that focuses on how to be a pastry chef. If you want to be a IT guy, you go to an IT school.

Make these kids use college to learn what they need to know before going pro. Thats what every other profession uses college/tech school for. Even friggen McDonalds has schools they send new employees to to learn how to do what their job will entail. They go to more schooling to learn about what their job will be like. Why can't we do this for athletes as well?
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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Sounds like someone who hasn't used Vista yet...

Its not my favorite system...but beats the hell out of OS-X...

You know where they went wrong with the Apple Vs. PC commercials (w/ justin long)...when they forgot to show PC with wads and wads of cash...

and FP, i'm telling you as someone who's taken those classes in high school...at a public school...funded by the state
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False ProphetAll-Star
499 days ago
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I'm not against public high school. I'm just saying that since athletes in america are like the only profession in the western world that doesn't have some form of schooling to benefit them, iI think it might help them to have some sort of specialized track at college...
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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Its a fair point...I just don't see colleges willing to track the...maybe 5, athletes they might have on that track..especially since one of the bigger ones (football) doesn't really need it (since its a 3 year deal, at least, for NFL players)...

Plus, many colleges work these types of things into the cirriculum...mostly through seminars or available optional classes...

but also in college, there's a lot of sink or swim mentality...
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SSreportersLegend
499 days ago
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What if I told you I use neither Windows nor Mac OS?
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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I'd say you've never had a real job...
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SSreportersLegend
499 days ago
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Looks like I may get one later in the Summer, we'll see how things go.


No, I use Linux OS, it crashes probably once in a while, but not like Windows. I can have up to 50 desktops, and best of all, no INTERNET EXPLORER!!!
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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No one uses internet explorer...

And my version of vista has been super stable...

I'm not opposed to linux, just not a huge fan...
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SSreportersLegend
499 days ago
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Are you the lucky one then? ;-)


Some times it depends on which Linux you use, I've seen some awful ones but frankly I love the fact that I can get all of this stuff already installed and it doesn't even amount to 2 GBs sometimes.
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False ProphetAll-Star
499 days ago
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I get the logistical issue and the issue of scale, I just find it bizzare that I can pick any profession I want minus being an athlete, and I can go to college and learn how to do what I want to do for the rest of my life, or at the minimum, get the necessary education to go to an even higher learning establishment that will teach me these skills. Or, if I chose the life of a fast food worker, I'll go to what is in essence a college for fast food employees to learn how to meet their standards and what is standard protocol, but for some bizzare reason, it's unacceptable to have a way to teach kids what they'll need to know as a professional athlete.
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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I just knew what i was doing

That's vista's killer though...I just build a PC with 8 GB of ram, so it can handle all the extra crap...but Vista just sucks up so much memory, power, etc that anything short of a new PC can't handle it...

Microsoft dropped the ball on thinking people would keep on dropping 2k on computers, when the trend is to cheap efficieny...
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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but FP...every job teaches you to do what they need...like you said McDonald's teaches their stuff...why doesn;t the NBA do it? its not a high school's job to make sure 60 kids each year are ready for the NBA...
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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There is no college in the world that can teach "teamwork" as effectively as being on a team can, professional or not.

College is very ineffective in teaching about life. They teach "theories," information gleamed from a textbook and written by someone you've never heard of.

Meg learned more about life the last four months living alone in Europe than she would have ever learned in a four year college. She is already light years ahead of people her same age in being prepared to handle certain situations than if she stayed at home all summer.

Athletes are so focused on their goals, (scholarships/draft/NBA) than they are on learning life skills. While that is unquestionably the fault of both the parents and the system, the truth is most of the kids drafted yesterday will have very short careers and will be broke by the time their 30.

FP echoed above what I said yesterday. Make educational seminars mandatory for all athletes. A law student or a med student has in-school internships available to them. They learn how to be lawyers and doctors years before they earn their degree. Sports do not offer this option. So it has to be provided to them at some point.
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False ProphetAll-Star
499 days ago
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they try, Justin, but some kids need more than a couple months to learn these things, and it doesn't help that they haven't learned it before. Plus, they have to learn the team philosophies, how everyone else on the team plays, and the general schemes as well. It's just not enough time for a sport that starts up in a couple months.

KD, it wouldn't be a textbook to teach about teamwork. It'd be something like I imagine employers do. Put them in situations where they have to learn how to trust one another. It can be done, you just have to push.

In some cases, it really isn't the parents fault. They live in less than great conditions, and their kid has a craft that'll earn him huge dollars. How can they not encourage him to pursue it? How can they teach him how to be a man when they're working all day to make sure he gets the opportunities that will make sure he'll get drafted?
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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I can't speak for any other college experience other than my own, but

A) College can and does teach teamwork...

B) College can and does teach about life

C) Its not all textbooks and garbage...in fact between my last 4 semesters or so, there wasn't much text used at all
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JuTMSY4Legend
499 days ago
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My employer does offer classes in things like teamwork...but its not as awe-inspiring as you'd imagine... Its really a lot of on-the-job kinda stuff
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Steel TownDraft Pick
499 days ago
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My employer took us all out to play paintball against each other as a team building exercise. THAT was exciting.
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KelsdadAll-Star
499 days ago
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Eighty percent of the guys drafted yesterday will be out of the league in three years. Then what? If they trusted the wrong person, if they made a bad investment, they'll be broke at 25 and likely the tallest bagboy at Walmart. With some school, or with some league mandated system to teach the life skills they are lacking, then maybe at 25 they would have more options.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
499 days ago
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Actually, falling flat on my ass is exactly how I learned (remembered) lifes lessons.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
499 days ago
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I've said this before. Some teams do take the responsability of teaching their younger stars very seriously. The Penguins put Crosby, Malkin, and Staal in veterans homes to help them adjust to their new lives. From what I have heard the Cavs also surrounded Lebron with a posse of their own to guide him along.
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False ProphetAll-Star
499 days ago
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Steel Town, that's something I think is a good idea. I know Hoodie does it at Pats training camp where he's put troy brown or one of the LBs with one of the youngsters or someone with behavior issues. I thik it's a pretty smart idea to give the young guys a well behaved vet to guide them along
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