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I Hate New York Nazis

by Cheezer
created September 11, 2008, last edited May 26, 2009
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The new football stadium for the New York Giants and the New York Jets is currently in the "Naming Rights Stage".  They are taking bids from suitors to see who would like to put their name on the stadium.

The disturbing news at they are currently in negotiations with a German insurance company by the name of Allianz.  Perhaps you heard of them.  During World War II, they insured both people and facilities at camps that include Auschwitz and Dachau.  They also insured Jewish valuables taken by the Nazis.

The CEO of Allianz during the 30's was a man by the name of Kurt Schmitt.  He moonlighted as Hitler's second Economics Minister.  He even donated to the Nazi Party campaign fund back in 1932.

At the time, Allianz followed the anti-semetic policies of many insurers in Germany.  They both terminated and refused to pay off on life insurance policies of Jewish people.  They took money that was do to the Jewish beneficiaries and sent it to the Nazi party.

Any way you look at it, Allianz is a corporation with definite ties to the Nazi party.

Would fans of the Giants and Jets consider not going to games if this were the name on the stadium?  Can the Giants or Jets take the risk?


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JuTMSY4Legend
447 days ago
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And yet no one found irony in the name "Allianz?"
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
447 days ago
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Volkswagon seemed to move on just fine.
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KelsdadAll-Star
447 days ago
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Big deal.
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IbeargRed-Shirting
447 days ago
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as a Jew and a Giant fan that is pretty disgusting, but I'm not going to stop being a Giants fan because of it... perhaps i can convince myself it's Brett Favre's Fault.
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Tmil42AAA-er
447 days ago
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I hate Colorado Commies.
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CheezerAll-Star
446 days ago
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It's a Blues Brothers reference.
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CheezerAll-Star
446 days ago
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BTW- video here
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
447 days ago
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Ferrari, Porsche, Toyota, Mercedes all produced weapons/equipment for the axis. Just because a company did horrible things in the 30s and 40s doesn't mean it is inherently evil.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
447 days ago
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NASA also used Nazi scientists in the space race. One of the most important advances in rocket technology was the Nazi V-2 ballistic missile.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
447 days ago
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And we used Germans to make the A-Bomb... it's the circle of life!
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
446 days ago
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Well those were Germans that escaped Germany. They weren't Nazis.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
446 days ago
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Not to mention that Audi were created by the Nazi regime, under the title of "Auto Union". Indeed, Audi's symbol, the rings, is still identical to what it was in the days when it was called Auto Union.
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CheezerAll-Star
446 days ago
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Many companies make money during times of war. War profiteering is a way of life. The question is, should the Jets and Giants consider the history of the companies that are vying for the naming rights?

Everything else in the article is just filler to provide a limited history and set up the question.
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JuTMSY4Legend
446 days ago
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Should Houston have looked at the books of Enron before letting them name now Minute Maid Park?
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CheezerAll-Star
446 days ago
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Don't ask a question, give an answer.

Where do you draw the line? Do we accept the fact that many companies profit during war and just ignore that when they offer money? Is it still blood money or has that ship sailed? Does it even matter?

Like every controversial issue, I'm firmly on the fence (move over Billy Clinton). To me there is a huge difference between being told to manufacture trucks and planes for the government during a time of war and helping to put a war mongering regime in power in the first place. At the same time, that was 85 years ago and presumably, they've done their penance for their crimes. If they were truly evil, they would have been punished by a war tribunal.

I'm interested in what this community thinks.
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JuTMSY4Legend
446 days ago
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We let them do business in America, we let them employ Americans (Minneapolis, I think is where their major US offices are located), we let them sell policies/manage money of Americans...why can't they advertise?

In Germany, a country that has done significant work to disinfect its fascist stench allows them to exist (much like you stated, punished in a war tribunal) and do business, then why should we americans be any different.

America's supposed to be a land of opportunity and second chances, I don't see how this is any different. Besides, odds are, given the reinsurance business, that most if not all major companies are so inter-related that even the most American of firms had some hand in all of this to begin with...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
447 days ago
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"Any way you look at it, Allainz is a corporation with definite ties to the Nazi government."


This should be past tense, neither the ties nor the Nazi government exist.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
447 days ago
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Maybe the Grammarnazis got to you since you're so worried about getting the tense right?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
446 days ago
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It's not a grammar mistake that bugs me. It's the idea that a company in 2008 is directly linked with a regime that fell in 1945.
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KelsdadAll-Star
447 days ago
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The Tisch family are the primary owners of the Giants..and also are Jewish.

Adolph Hitler co-founded Volkswagen in a partnership with the Porsche family.

The Bayer (aspirin) company supplied some of the chemicals used in the gas chambers and in human experiments at the camps.

Allianz is already a big dollar sponsor of the PGA Tour, and has their name tied to a sponsorship deal on a basketball arena, sorry, location escapes me at the moment. Point being, they are already a major presence in the States.

The only people complaining are tree hugging, Greenpeace types looking for their 15 minutes of fame.
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JuTMSY4Legend
447 days ago
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They employ over 180,000 people...which (stunningly) is more than 4 times that of the largest insurance company in the world (by market cap)
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Taytay 24All-American
446 days ago
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I don't really see the connection of Nazi sympathizers and GreenPeace, an environmental protection organization.
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JuTMSY4Legend
446 days ago
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huh?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
447 days ago
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[edit] GO AWAY ALREADY

You are ignorant, classless and really seem like a dumb bitch for coming into a Sports forum to air your personal issues.

If your problems are with a member's Dad then you are REALLY fucked up for making it our issue here.

You're harassing him and all of us. Shut up and go away.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
447 days ago
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Hey, cyberstalker - GO AWAY!!! You're here for malicious purposes and harassing this site. Harassment on-line is NO DIFFERENT than harassment in the real world. Stop your criminal activity. loser.
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Taytay 24All-American
446 days ago
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Coca-Cola couldn't sell Coke in Germany during WWII, so they came up with another product so they could continue to make money in that market. Thus was the birth of...Fanta!
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
446 days ago
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This is as good a time as any to introduce you to this. :-)
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Pittsburgh GunnyMajor Leaguer
446 days ago
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The company in question already has naming rights to one of the worlds most high tech stadiums. Allianz Arena home of Bayern Munich, one of the venues for the 2006 FIFA World Cup.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
446 days ago
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What about Henry Ford and IBM?
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
446 days ago
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What about them?
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Steel TownDraft Pick
446 days ago
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I don't think it should be held against them. I mean, most of that generation is dead or getting close to it. So, there really isn't much of a connection any more. It's time to move on (but not forget). To me it would be like holding a grudge against America for slavery...


Oh wait, certain people here who are sticking up for allianz have actually used the slavery argument to put America in a bad light.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
446 days ago
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Well Done, Cheezer!!! It seems you convinced them. The negotiations have been called off!! Mr. Burns would be proud of you!
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CheezerAll-Star
446 days ago
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Exxxxcellent
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JuTMSY4Legend
446 days ago
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I hope they name it Exxon-Mobile Stadium for Irony's sake
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JuTMSY4Legend
446 days ago
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I wonder how this company slipped under the radar for naming this place
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DRE-LOAAA-er
445 days ago
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This, to me is A MUCH BIGGER GRIPE because it just happened recently and it HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED by the MSM! Not to mention that the new Barclays Center will be in Brooklyn. And speaking as someone that lived in Brooklyn, I think there WILL E A BIG UPROAR ONCE THIS COMES OUT. Allianz and Barclays have both been linked to horrible historic occurences. I think the Giants/Jets should have taken that into consideration before giving them naming rights and they will take heat for it. The difference is that Allianz has obviously moved to break from that past as much as possible. Mugabe is one of the most, evil corrupt leaders in the most modern world and Barclays helped fund his regime RECENTLY. Jigga man should have taken a MUCH SHARPER AT HIS NAMING RIGHTS to the recent nature of Barclay's actions.
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KelsdadAll-Star
445 days ago
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Brooklyn has the highest Jewish population of the five boroughs.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
446 days ago
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I understand Cheezer's point and its good that people "Never Forget" atrocities and those that supported them. But, that company is NOT the same. Maybe they should have changed their name to end the link to their past. I came to grips with this issue when I bought my first German automobile. The point is boycot those who are actively persecuting others (China?) and those companies that are unrepentent to their past. Although we should never forget, if the regime has changed and there is repetence at some point we don't hurt those who now run the company if they do not stand for the proposition of their evil predecessors. In Allianz's case I don't know if they ever have been on the record as repentent for their past.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
446 days ago
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You know what? I'm throwing all my British teas into the nearest harbor... NEVER FORGET!!!
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WardenVarsity
445 days ago
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How do you feel about Prescott Bush trading with the Nazis throughout World War II while he was a New York banker? Look it up. Gonna boycott Republicans? Didn't think so...
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Simms1156Div-I Stud
444 days ago
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Just so you guys know the Giants and Jets decided to stop negotiatians with the company. I dont know where the link is but it was posted on giants.com
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JuTMSY4Legend
444 days ago
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look above by about 9 comments...
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Simms1156Div-I Stud
443 days ago
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Oops... I skimmed all the comments to see if it had been posted but I guess I missed that one... Sorry.
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