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He Might Be An Ace But He's Not My Ace

by JasonComack
created May 25, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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Joe Saunders is having a great season so far.

He's 8-1 with a 2.31 ERA and a 1.09 WHIP. Those are Cy-Young caliber numbers. To the untrained eye it might look like Saunders, at 27, has finally put it all together.

However, I can almost guarantee you that at some point soon Saunders will take a nose dive and finish with roughly the 4.00 ERA that he has for his career.

How can I say that with such certainty?

It's SABREmetrics my dear Watson!

ERA/WHIP/W/K's get so much pub mainly because of Fantasy Baseball. BABIP (Batting Average On Balls In Play) doesn't get much publicity. However BABIP and K/9 (Strikeouts Per 9 Innings) are better indicators of ones season than ERA and WHIP.

Maybe they aren't "better" indicators per say, but what they can do is tell you if a season that seems kinda fluky is or isn't.

So to go along with Saunders marvelous ERA and WHIP he has a not so marvelous .216 BABIP (a very low number) and a 3.73 K/9 (a disturbingly low rate.)

To further elaborate on his BABIP there's a stat called Delta H.

> Delta H -The number of hits above or below average for this pitcher, based on his own number of balls in play and his team's rate of hits (minus home runs) per ball in play; (H-HR) - BIP * (team (H-HR)/BIP). Essentially, the Voros McCracken number. For a team, Delta-H should be zero. Positive numbers signify more hits allowed than expected ("bad luck," if you believe pitchers have nothing to do with the outcome of a BIP), negative numbers mean fewer hits than expected ("good luck").

Saunders Delta H is -14. That would indicate he's had a whole lot of good luck this season. And he's likely to fall flat on his face the second half of the season.

The whole point of SABRE pitching stats are too remove as many variables as possible. Win/Loss record is such an arbitrary stat. You need to equate ERA for the different dimensions of stadiums and the difference of the DH. Equate for defense, when the ball is hit in play the pitchers loses control of the outcome of the play. It's why strikeout pitchers (and K/9) are so much more valuable.

And it's why in my eyes Chien-Ming Wang will never be ace; he is a ground ball pitcher he leaves too much to chance. Is it raining, are my infielders going to miss balls? Is the grass cut to high? Is the wind blowing out? Does the other team have great speed and can beat out ground balls? It's why on any given day (and as we have seen in the playoffs repeatedly) if he doesn't have his sinker working he is ineffective.

He only strikes out 5.27 per 9 innings and his Delta H is -8 which would indicate he's had a lot of good luck this year. He's a nice pitcher and he seems to have an uncanny ability to win games but statistical analysis will tell you that you can't expect him to be an ace.

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I looked at the early season stats and found a lot of anomalies. There's a lot of guys having absurd numbers and some of them are for real and some aren't.

The Joe Saunders Sell High Award

Joe Saunders (-14 Delta H, 3.73 K/9)

Gavin Floyd (2.93 ERA, 1.08 WHIP) (3.86 K/9, .167 BABIP, -19 Delta H)

Ryan Dempster (2.70 ERA, 1.06 WHIP) (7.53 K/9 .213 BABIP -10 Delta H)

Aaron Cook (3.06 ERA, 1.29 WHIP) (4.26 K/9 . -3 Delta H - 4 Delta Runs)

Fausto Carmona (3.10 ERA 1.59 WHIP) (3.57 K/9 -Delta H -8 Delta Runs 4.5 Walks/9)

Scott Olsen (.216 BABIP 4.06 K/9 -12 Delta H)

The Sammy Sosa High Heat Baseball It's So Real Award

Edison Volquez (.267 BABIP 11.04 K/9)

Tim Lincecum (.306 BABIP +4 Delta H 9.96 K/9)

Rich Harden (.309 BABIP +3 Delta H 11.71 K/9 42 STUFF)

Javier Vazquez (.313 BABIP +7 Delta H 8.91 K/9 36 STUFF)

Chad Billingsley (.305 BABIP +2 Delta H 10.25 K/9 34 STUFF)

and for Yankee fans, don't worry about Andy Pettitte

.326 BABIP +8 Delta Hits and 7.17 K/9. He'll be ok

The list could go on and on. If you want any pitchers analyzed leave the name of who you want in the comments.


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DrpatriotAll-American
549 days ago
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Good article. What's the deal with Micah Owings?
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JasonComackJV Squad
549 days ago
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Owings has -4 Delta Hits and O Delta Runs so he's been slightly lucky, not much though. Arizona has a very athletic defense. He strikes out 8.2/9 which is pretty solid. It's about equal to what Cole Hamels is doing this year. His .253 BABIP is about league average. You could expect his numbers to stay pretty consistent with what they are now. He's going to win a lot of games because he's on a good team with a good bullpen and he also adds a lot to an NL lineup with his bat but I have no idea how you would convert that to a stat.
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AKittellVarsity
548 days ago
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Interesting stuff, but I'm going to suggest he'll keep it under four this year. Saunders will revert to his mean, but has properly overachieved enough to finish the year looking like an ace. You're right though. It won't last though. Carmona will be better in the future but his numbers obviously don't look promising right now. What were his numbers last year? How do Ben Sheets and Aaron Harang fair?
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JasonComackJV Squad
548 days ago
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Saunders will probably keep it under four because of his hot start your right. However a second half slide is inevitable.

Sheets fairs pretty well. He's always had the tools but has never been able to stay healthy. In 2006 he had his best year statistically. He had 9.2 K/9 and his "Stuff" was an elite 42. He also posted +Delta H and Delta Runs

This year his BABIP is about league average (.249) His Delta H is -7 and Delta Runs -1. So he's gotten slightly lucky. He's striking out 7 Per 9 which is good but not great (about on par with Brandon Webb.) One interesting stat (and a very positive one) is that his Line Drive Percentage is 14.1%. That's a very low number. You could expect a slight jump in his numbers but nothing drastic. However, he is an extreme injury risk.

Harang has been Mr. Consistent over the past few years. However over his career he has been blessed with very "good luck" last year his Delta H was -14. This year it's down to -4 and his Delta Runs -3, so again he's been blessed with solid fielding.

His K/9 is down from 8.5 to 7.5. His Hits/9 is up for 7.7 to 9.1. His LD% is up from 18 to 21.

The trends aren't alarming enough to put up any red flags, however he has been up and down this year and these stats would be the culprit.

One interesting note is his Delta Wins is -3 (in case this negative indicates bad luck, I.E. lack of run support.)
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KelsdadAll-Star
548 days ago
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"And it's why in my eyes Chien-Ming Wang will never be ace. Because he is a ground ball pitcher he leaves too much to chance" I guess Brandon Webb's not an ace either?
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JasonComackJV Squad
548 days ago
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Webb is a different pitcher than Wang. He averages about 8 K/9 and his LD% is about 17. Webb isn't a huge strikeout pitcher but he strikes out a lot more batters than Wang.

I can understand why people think Wang is an ace. He pitches deep into games, wins a ton of games and has a low ERA.

However, it's just my belief that an ace pitcher needs to be able to strike people out. It's not a popular opinion (especially in NY) but Wang isn't ever going to be an elite level starter. Joba, on the other hand can, and hopefully will.
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KelsdadAll-Star
547 days ago
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I can understand why people think Wang is an ace. He pitches deep into games, wins a ton of games and has a low ERA.

However, it's just my belief that an ace pitcher needs to be able to strike people out.

OK, so Greg Maddux isn't an ace, either? Or Phil Niekro? Or Catfish Hunter? Or Brad Penny? Or Aaron Cook? Or Matt Cain?
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
548 days ago
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my testicles are extremly wet right now does someone want to dry them for me?... please
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JasonComackJV Squad
548 days ago
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Thanks for the intelligent commentary!
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JuTMSY4Legend
548 days ago
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An ace can't be a ground ball pitcher?
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OvertheedgeVarsity
547 days ago
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saunders is having a great season, if you cant acknowledge this than you dont deserve to be a fan of the angels
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