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Hall of Famer? You Make the Call

by Sportsbrief
created January 12, 2009, last edited July 18, 2009
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20 current and former NBA players, you make the call, do they belong in the Hall? I will provide you with some of the numbers, including career and key stats, honors, and awards, but you decide. I will also make my pick. The list starts with retired players then gets into the current guys.  It's the Basketball Hall of Fame, so remember college honors are also a factor.

Reggie Miller

Resumé:
18 seasons

*18.2 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists per game
*All-time 3 point leader
*8th all-time free throw percentage
*5 time All-Star
*3 time All-NBA 3rd Team
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 13th

Yes. This is a great way to start off. I was on the other side of the fence probably a year ago. After looking through all the numbers and other players who are in the Hall, I give Reggie the nod. 18 points per game over 18 seasons is very impressive, as is his ability from beyond the arc. 0 titles, but played against the best, and certainly didn't run from the moment. I got him in, but it's very close, and I will probably feel he's not in by the time I'm done with this.

Brad Daugherty

Resumé:
8 seasons

*19 points, 9.5 rebounds, 3.7 assists per game
*5 time All-Star
*All-Rookie 1st Team
*All-NBA 3rd Team
*2nd Team All-American at UNC
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 10th

No. If Daugherty could have stayed healthy and played longer he gets in for sure. Close to 20-10 for his career is impossible to argue. Like Miller, Daugherty didn't win any titles, but unlike Miller, he didn't have a lengthy career. 

Chris Mullin

Resumé:
16 seasons

*18.2 points, 4.1 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.6 steals per game
*5 time All-Star
*All-NBA 1st Team, All-NBA 2nd Team (2), All-NBA 3rd Team
*1st Team All-American, 2nd Team All-American, Wooden Award Winner at St. John's
*Member of 1992 U.S. Olympic Gold Medal Team (The Dream Team)
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 6th.

Yes. This is a great example where achievements outside of the NBA could help a guy get in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Mullin was an incredible college player and a member of the greatest basketball team ever assembled. 

Mark Price

Resumé:
12 seasons

*15.2 points, 6.7 assists, 1.2 steals per game
*4 time All-Star
*All-NBA 1st Team, All-NBA 3rd Team (3)
*2nd Team All-American, 3rd Team All-American at Georgia Tech
*90.4% career free throw percentage (best in NBA history)
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 7th. 

No. Price is one of the best point guards of the past 25 years (I wrote a fantastic article about that a few months back; check the archives), but I still don't think he did enough to get into the Hall. Imagine Price and Daugherty's legacy had it not been for one Michael Jordan, or if his Airness was drafted by Portland in the Western Conference.

Penny Hardaway

Resumé:
14 seasons (parts of)

*15.2 points, 4.5 rebounds, 5 assists, 1.6 steals per game
*4 time All-Star
*All NBA 1st Team (2), All-NBA 3rd Team
*1st Team All-American at Memphis
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 3rd

No. Certainly began his career on his way to being a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. He was the best PG in the NBA for 2-3 seasons in a row. It looked like the Orlando Magic were going to be contenders for years. His career numbers were ruined as he tried to hang around the league post injuries. In 14 seasons, Penny played 82 games just twice.  

Larry Johnson

Resumé:
10 seasons

*16.2 points, 7.5 rebounds, 3.3 assists per game
*2 time All-Star
*Rookie of the Year
*All-Rookie 1st Team
*All-NBA 2nd Team
*1st Team All-American (2), Wooden Award, Naismith Award winner, NCAA Champion at UNLV

No. The Runnin' Rebels of the early 1990s was one of the greatest college teams of all-time. They were fun to watch, won a National Title, and nearly went undefeated the next year if the refs and NCAA weren’t so Pro-Duke. That's a different article for a different time. L.J. was the #1 pick in the draft after being the best college player in the country. He wont the Rookie of the Year award the that season, but injuries bit Johnson and he could not play the same game he had out in Vegas or few seasons in Charlotte.

Horace Grant

Resumé:
17 seasons

*11.2 points, 8.1 rebounds per game
*1 time All-Star
*4 time NBA Champion
*All-Defensive 2nd Team (4)
*2nd Team All-American at Clemson

No. He's a great defensive player and rebounder, Grant had a long career with 4 rings to show from it. He's a good player who was in the right place at the right time with both the Bulls and Lakers, also was a part of the Magic team that got swept by the Rockets. 1-time All-Stars don't belong in the Hall. 

Kevin Johnson

Resumé:
12 seasons

*17.9 points, 3.3 rebounds, 9.1 assists, 1.5 steals per game
*3 time All-Star
*All-NBA 2nd Team (4), All-NBA 3rd Team
*NBA Most Improved
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 7th. 

Yes. I got K.J. in the Hall. A career average of 18 points and 9 dimes? I'll take that on my team. This is another great debate, but I only had 6-7 point guards ahead of him in my life time, that’s good enough.

Dennis Rodman

Resumé:
14 seasons

*7.3 points, 13.1 rebounds per game
*2 time All-Star
*All-NBA 3 rd Team (2), 2 time Defensive Player of the Year
*All- Defensive 1st Team (7), All- Defensive 2nd Team
*5 time NBA Champion
*Led NBA in RPG 7 seasons
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 10th.   

Yes. Maybe his cross dressing and hair color and everything else will keep him out, but he deserves to be in. He had titles like a Horry and Ho. Grant, but the Worm was one of the best defensive players of all-time, and maybe the best rebounding power forwards not named Karl Malone or Charles Barkley. Twice, Rodman averaged more than 18 rebounds a game.

Tim Hardaway

Resumé:
13 seasons

*17.7 points, 3.3 rebounds, 8.2 assists, 1.6 steals per game
*5 time All-Star
*1st Team All-Rookie
*All-NBA 1st Team, All-NBA 2nd Team (3), All-NBA 3rd Team
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 4th. 

Yes. The killer crossover is in. Homophobic comments aside, Hardaway was a great point guard for many years in the league. Both with the Warriors and the Heat he was a game changer. He had skillz. (In Hardaway accent)

Shawn Kemp

Resumé:
14 seasons:

*14.6 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.1 steals, 1.2 blocks per game
*6 time All-Star
*All-NBA 2nd Team (3)
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 7th

No. If there was a Hall of Fame for in-game dunkers, it would probably be named after him. But unfortunately I'm going to have to leave the Reign Man out of the real Hall. Great moments, and extremely likable teams in Seattle, but not enough to get him in.

Chris Webber

Resumé:
15 seasons

*20.7 points, 9.8 rebounds, 4.2 assists, 1.4 steals, 1.4 blocks per game
*5 time All-Star
*NBA Rookie of the Year
*1st Team All-Rookie
*All-NBA 1st Team, All-NBA 2nd Team (3), All-NBA 3rd Team
*1st Team All-American at Michigan
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 4th (5 Top 10s). 

Yes. I wrote an entire article on C-Webb when he retired. Feel free to pour through the archives to find it. He's a slam dunk Hall of Famer in my mind. Webber is 1 of 6 players to average 20-9-4. The others? Baylor, Wilt, Billy Cunningham, Bird, and Garnett, with the 1st four in the Hall already. 

Robert Horry

Resumé:
16 seasons

*7 points, 4.8 rebounds per game
*2nd Team All-Rookie
*7 time NBA Champion
*244 career playoff games, and 261 playoff 3PM ranks 2nd all-time (Reggie Miller). 

No. 7 time NBA Champion! That's a lot of rings. I know "Big Shot Bob" got that name for a reason, but playing with Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan will help you get those titles. People will point to those championships, I point to the career averages and 0 All-Star selections. Hall of Fame is an individual award, sorry Bob.

Tracy McGrady

Resumé:
Playing 12th season

*22.1 points, 6.1 rebounds, 4.7 assists, 1.3 steals per game
*7 Time All-Star
*All-NBA 1st Team (2), All-NBA 2nd Team (3), All-NBA 3rd Team (2)
*NBA Most Improved Player
*Highest finish in MVP vote 4th (6 top 8s)

Yes. I know he's never made it out of the 1st round of the playoffs, but he has time to fix that. T-Mac already ranks 73rd All-Time in points scored in the NBA, and he won't be 30 until after this season. Say what you want, but be sure to check out the numbers.

Ray Allen

Resumé:
Playing 13th season

*21 points, 4.5 rebounds, 3.8 assists per game
*8 time All-Star
*All-Rookie 2nd Team
*All-NBA 2nd Team, All-NBA 3rd Team
*NBA Champion
*1st Team All-American and 3rd Team All-American while at UConn
*Highest finish in MVP vote 9th

Yes. I would have given Ray the nod before winning the title last year with the Celtics, so I believe that only pushes him over the cliff. He's 2nd All-Time behind Miller in 3 pointers made and has one of the best shots the game has ever seen. And he played Jesus Shuttlesworth in He Got Game, so come on.      

Vince Carter

Resumé:
Playing 11th season

*23.8 points, 5.5 rebounds, 4.2 assists 1.3 steals per game
*8 time All-Star
*NBA Rookie of the Year
*All Rookie 1st Team
*All-NBA 2nd Team, All-NBA 3rd Team
*2nd Team All-American at North Carolina
*Highest finish in MVP vote 10th

Yes. A lot of people would probably argue with this, particularly in Toronto. Vincanity is currently 67th on the NBA's scoring list, and only going up. He has a career average of 24 points per game and is the 18th best of all-time. Like him or not, he's a Hall of Famer.

Grant Hill

Resumé:
Playing 14th season

*18.9 points, 6.7 rebounds, 4.9 assists, 1.4 steals per game
*7 time All-Star
*NBA Rookie of the Year
*1st Team All-Rookie
*All-NBA 1st Team, All-NBA 2nd Team (4)
*1st Team All-American and 3rd Team All-American at Duke
*Highest finish in MVP vote 3rd

No. To me, very much like Penny Hardaway. They both began their careers on the fast track to Springfield. I remember thinking when they announced the "50 Greatest Players List" back in the day that they needed to add Grant Hill.  (and Dominique Wilkins, whose omission made that list a bit of a joke). But unfortunately, he did not have enough good seasons to get him in.

Tony Parker

Resumé:
Playing 8th season

*16.2 points, 5.5 assists per game
*2 time All-Star
*1st Team All-Rookie
*3 time NBA Champion
*Finals MVP
*Highest finish in MVP vote 9th.

No... at least not yet. Parker is the youngest guy on this list, and clearly has the most game left barring injuries. His 3 titles put him in the conversation, but the stats needed to increase, and they are. 

Chauncey Billups

Resumé:
Playing 12th season

*14.9 points, 5.6 assists per game
*3 time All-Star
*All-NBA 2nd Team, All-NBA 3rd Team
*All-Defensive 2nd Team (2)
*NBA Champion, Finals MVP
*2nd Team All-American at Colorado
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 5th

No. I got back and forth on Billups much like Reggie Miller. Right now, I'm saying he has not done enough to get in. Just 3 all-star games and the career numbers don't wow you. Finals MVP helps, but I think he needs to do more. 

Paul Pierce

Resumé:
Playing 11th season

*23 points, 6.3 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.6 steals per game
*6 time All-Star
*1st Team All-Rookie
*All-NBA 3rd Team (3)
*NBA Champion, Finals MVP
*1st Team All-American at Kansas
*Highest finish in MVP vote: 11th.

Yes. Like Ray Allen, I felt Pierce was a Hall of Famer before last year's championship. Well that solidified it for me, and another inevitable All-Star selection won't hurt. One more championship would make him a slam dunk 1st ballot guy. As Shaquille O'Neal once eloquently put it, "Paul Pierce is the mother f***in truth."

 




There it is. Leave your comments with thoughts on 1, 2, or all of these players.    


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Ea34Div-I Stud
300 days ago
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Great work! Really a fun read.

LOVE that you have Kevin Johnson in, as I think he's very underrated.

Frankly not so sure that T-Mac is in, based on what he's done thus far. Not convinced that he'll ever do enough to get in. It's the whole Hall-of-Fame vs. the Hall-of-Very-Good debate.

Also, I think Parker will ultimately be a sure HOF guy. He's an All-Star level player, puts up numbers and already has three rings at just 26. Not yet, but I think his resume will eventually get him in.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
300 days ago
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I don't know much about the standards of admission to the basketball HOF, but it looks like it's easier to get into than Arizona State.
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Davis21wylieMVP
299 days ago
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Ask Artis Gilmore about how easy it is to get in.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
299 days ago
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Very good article, although it is difficult to judge on some of these players because they are still in the midst of their careers. Nonetheless the NBA HOF regulations are much easier than the MLB and the NFL. With that being said here is my list.

Reggie Miller: In

Brad Daugherty: In but takes a cple rounds very borderline but its the NBA

Chris Mullen: Is this the NBA HOF or the basketball HOF? in if BBall out if NBA

Mark Price: Out

Dennis Rodman: In in in

Shawn Kemp:Out

Grant Hill:Out, just didnt do enough sadly

Tony Parker: On his way to go down as one of the best in

Paul Pierce: In because of how he played the past 3 seasons

Chauncy Billups: Out just not enouugh

Vince Carter: Out not even close

Ray Allen:out never did enough

Tracey McGrady: Out... see VC

Penny Hardaway:Out takes more than 1 season

Kevin Johnson: MMm this is a tough one, I might sneak him in

Horace Grant: Out good player but not enough

Larry Johnson: Out
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Davis21wylieMVP
299 days ago
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Let me ask, setting aside the MVP awards (which may or may not have been deserved), would you rather have Steve Nash or Mark Price at PG? Because, all things considered, I think you'd rather have Price -- he's an equal passer, equal shooter, a better defender. And Nash is a HoF lock.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
299 days ago
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Really? Now I find that very interesting. Because I would take Nash over Price. I think Nash adds a better spark to an offense. Are you letting your GT blinders get in the way DW?
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Steel TownDraft Pick
299 days ago
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I think Price played in an era dominated by some of basketball's GOATs and he is now paying the price for playing in the shadows. I too would take Price over Nash.
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Davis21wylieMVP
299 days ago
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Setting aside my GT bias here, I would only take Nash over Price if I was building a D'Antoniball-style team. But at a more regular tempo, there's really nothing Nash can do offensively that Price can't do equally well, and he was a better defensive player to boot. The slower the pace gets, the more I like Price.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
299 days ago
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You may be right about Price playing in a slow down offense. However, I still like Nash running the show. He can push the tempo more, and I think he understands the passing angles better in the half court set.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
275 days ago
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Shawn Kemp should be in the hall just for popularity and dunking alone.
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SportsbriefVarsity
299 days ago
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It's a good debate, but one thing you said DW was "setting aside the MVP awards" on Steve Nash. That's pretty tough to do, he won 2 and finished 2nd once. Call him a system guy if you want, but he landed in a system that will get him in the Hall.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
282 days ago
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This is the stuff sports fans and students of the game live for. Thanks. I agree on most fronts. T-Mac is a stretch. If KJ gets in Mark Price has to go since he raised KJ in the league, along with Terrell Brandon (Too many forget his more than solid career. The first coming of Chauncey Billups.) If Mullin gets in on other accomplishments, Grant Hill may need to be reconsidered. He was the main ingredient (not Christian Laetner) on one of the greatest college teams ever at Duke. His injuries led to a mid-level superstar career via stats, but his college career was one of the most impressive ever. He was the reason Duke beat UNLV. He was the reason Duke repeated. He made the near perfect pass to Laetner to beat UK in the greatest college game ever. And, while it really doesn't matter, Grant Hill "Never Let Up!" Sucks for Penny, we forget how nice his game was. But Shaq's departure and injuries ended his chances at a HOF career.
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Falcon02520Legend
282 days ago
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There is an NBA Hall of fame?

Anyway, just took some meds so I'm about to fall asleep. Adding that with the fact that I didn't even know there was an NBA HoF, here we go...

  • Miller: in
  • Daugherty: who?
  • Mullin: i guess
  • Price: no
  • Hardaway: no
  • Johnson: no
  • Grant: no
  • Johnson: yes
  • Rodman: haha, yes
  • Hardaway: yup
  • Kemp: na
  • Webber: tough call
  • Horry: no
  • T-Mac: uh, yea
  • Ray Allen: yup
  • Carter: eh... why not
  • Hill: possibly... dont count on it
  • Parker: yes
  • Billups: no
  • Pierce: hellz yea
I'll come back later when I'm sober to see if I agree with myself...
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
278 days ago
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I'm jumping on the Grant Hill bandwagon. He invented the "point forward" position with Detroit. He averaged 21.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg and 6.2 apg in 6 years at Detroit. Not to mention his college career and humanitarian efforts. No question in my mind.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
278 days ago
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Hardaway 17, 3, and 8 = In

K. J. 17, 3, and 9 = In C. Mullin 18, 4, and 3 = In Reggie 18, 3, and 3 = In

Grant Hill 19, 6, and 5 = Out?? Give him his props, please
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
242 days ago
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How can Artis Gilmore be overlooked?
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
133 days ago
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Wait if you really think Mark Price is one of the best pgs over the past 25 years, then he should make it. Just because he couldn't get passed Jordan doesn't mean he shouldn't get in.
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
112 days ago
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Kevin Johnson missed a fewer %age of games in his career than Allen Iverson. Also, Kevin Johnson had the explosiveness of Allen Iverson with the unselfishness of John Stockton in one. KJ was sooooo underrated! He had 5 20/10 or close to 20/10 seasons in which he didn't make the all-star team. This goes to show why fans shouldn't vote for all-star teams.
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KelsdadAll-Star
112 days ago
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Mullin, KJ, Allen: yes

Price and Webber: maybe. No problem with them in, no problem with them out.

Everyone else: Hell no.

Artis Gilmore not being in the HOF is the biggest injustice of any HOF.
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