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Griffey's 600th less watched, but more praiseworthy than Bonds' 756

by Allonthefield
created June 10, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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If Ken Griffey, Jr. hit career home run #600 but only 16,003 people were there to see it, does that mean it doesn't matter?

More than 22,000 sports fans passed on the chance to witness history at Dolphin Stadium Monday night, when Griffey joined an exclusive club. Only Barry Bonds, Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Willie Mays and Sammy Sosa are members.

The story made the front page of ESPN.com and Yahoo! Sports (both sites featured a "Sweet 600" headline -- who's the mole?!), but where has all the buildup been? Where was the buzz?

For one, I think we're all experiencing a little milestone fatigue. We were all force fed Bonds' pursuit of 756, a chase that left most fans with a sour taste in their mouths. And fans were well aware of Manny Ramirez reaching the 500 milestone just over a week ago.

Maybe the bigger factor in our collective disinterest, though, is cynicism. The Mitchell Report (now that was an event that earned some buildup) taught us to disbelieve what we see on SportsCenter, and that many -- perhaps most -- of the greatest sluggers of our generation are also cheaters.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that Griffey is clean and always has been. You will never convince me that Griffey's 600 is the same as Sosa's 600. I would even go so far as to say that his 600 is more significant than Bonds' 756. Before Bonds, only Aaron, Ruth, and Mays -- three of the greatest of all time -- had hit 600. You can make the argument that he belongs in that company even without the benefit of steroids, but we can never know for sure.

Griffey, though (again, assuming he's clean), can rightfully stake his claim to presence in that elite company with tonight's home run. Home run #600 is not a record, not by anyone's counting. But it's a major milestone, achieved fair and square, by a good guy and one of baseball's all-time greats.


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RomiezzoLegend
518 days ago
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I just discussed in another article how only 16,003 showed up to the game where Griff hit his 600th long ball. That's just ridiculous.

I think that what you said about "milestone fatigue", but that's just you. We have had a lot of great milestones by great baseball players. For example, Greg Maddux's 350th win, Craig Biggio's 3,000th hit, Tom Glavine's and John Smoltz's 300th wins, Trevor Hoffman's 500th save, and of course, Griffey's 600th homer. These milestones are all great moments in baseball... it's just a coincidence that they were all accomplished in a short period of time.

First of all, look at where Ken Griffey Jr. played. He played in a stadium where only 16,000 showed up. 22,000+ seats were left empty! It's not that we're tired of milestones, but it's because of the situation of when and where he hit the home run, and how much hype there is on the milestone. For example, how many times did you hear about Manny's 500th home run? I don't know about you guys in the US, but in Kuwait, a whole lotta people were talking about it because he's a member of the Red Sox. Ken Griffey Jr. plays for Cincinnati. There hasn't (and wasn't) much hype about his 600th homer at all compared to these other milestones. And it wasn't because they got bored of milestones (everyone loves Ken Griffey Jr. enough to appreciate him), but people weren't talking about it as much (before he hit the home run). Maybe Junior just has to play for one of those huge payroll teams to get more recognition...

And you're definitely right about one thing: Ken Griffey Jr., a good guy and one of baseball's all-time greats, achieved a major milestone fair and square.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
518 days ago
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Will be interesting if Griffey is traded now that he has the 700th homer. He still is not the same player he was only having 7 homers with only about 20 games left in first half of season.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
518 days ago
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Speaking for myself, I am tired of having to put disclaimers on all things baseball. I believe that Junior is clean, and I almost feel as though I have to justify my belief. Sad. I also think that, maybe, there are others like me who feel hoodwinked by home run records of the past. We got the McGwire/Sosa 61 chase rammed down our throats, we got the Bonds 73 rammed down our throats and then the Bonds 700, the Bonds 715 and the Bonds 756 rammed down as well. I think that maybe there are only so many home run accomplishments we can see before starting to wonder which ones really matter? I think this one does, but the short shrift its getting seems to indicate otherwise. Whatever - he's one of five guys to hit that many...good for him. At least four of them are deserving of a lifetime of memories.
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JuTMSY4Legend
518 days ago
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Who rammed McGwire/Sosa down your throat...you aren't a baseball fan if you didn't get wrapped up in that...
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
518 days ago
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I don't agree that you're not a baseball fan if you hated the 61 chase. I am quite cynical and I was not really all that thrilled to see 61 not only beaten, but shattered the way it was. I thought that it was a mark worthy of more respect. And MLB ran with it, looking to wipe away the sins of 1994. I think in retrospect, I am vindicated. See Niteowl's comment...
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JuTMSY4Legend
518 days ago
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But we all have 20-20 hind sight... People always talk now about how its a disgrace...but how did you act then...when you didn't know...
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KelsdadAll-Star
518 days ago
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Does 20/20 hindsight mean you look at things through your ass?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
518 days ago
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I'm not claiming clairvoyance here. I didn't know about the roids, but I wasn't into the chase at the time - I am too much of a traditionalist to embrace that. I simply was not a fan of the chase. I had already seen enough of the explosion of 50+ home run seasons.
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KelsdadAll-Star
518 days ago
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I totally agree with SJ's comment. MLB sucked everyone in, including the Maris family. I see the Maris' point of view, bring Roger's name back into the public eye, running clips of him as a player, not many had seen him. But then you look at it as dragging the family unecessarily through a situation which ended up being fraudulent. It ended up having the opposite effect, tarnishing Maris' name. I know if I was one of his kids, my lawyer would have been busy.
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Taytay 24All-American
518 days ago
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I don't think the '98 HR chase tarnished Maris at all. It brought him back to the public's attention and I think plenty of people still regard him as the single season home run king. McGuire, Sosa and Bonds tarnished themselves, but not Maris.
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JuTMSY4Legend
518 days ago
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Thanks Taytay...it didn't tarnish Maris at all...and I'm failing to see how it could have
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
518 days ago
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I think that bringing Maris back into the discussion was one of the few positive things that came out of that whole thing. It definitely gave a younger generation of fans a positive glimpse into the past.
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RomiezzoLegend
518 days ago
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First off, I was 7 years old when the 62 home run chase occured. I have to admit that's one of the things that really caught my attention as I first started watching baseball. My first thoughts were, "Wow. Two players are actually going to break the record, but which one of them will first?" I'm sure that almost everyone was a fan of it. However, like Mark McGwire once said, "that was the past, and I don't want to talk about the past." I now realize that players hitting a profuse amount of home runs doesn't really say that much anymore. However, I know that Ken Griffey Jr. hitting 600 home runs really means something. His swing just says it all. I'm glad he reached the mark, unlike the two other players who have done so this decade.
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KelsdadAll-Star
518 days ago
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I completely agree, SJ. My only point was retrospective of everything. While it was going on, and even afterwards, everything was hunky-dory. Now it comes out that each of the three players which has exceeded 61 homers in the last ten years did so by cheating at their craft and used illegal substances.

I just feel sorry for the guy, that's all. When HE was approaching Ruth's record, baseball shit all over him too. Asterisk here, how many games there. Then the Yankees accused him of faking an injury, dumped him for Charlie facking Smith, and treated him (disrespected) so poorly he refused to go to Old Timers events in New York, or wear a Yankee uniform anywhere else.

Maybe if Maris was alive and we could hear and see how he felt I would feel differently, but I just look at the whole thing as just one more slap in the face to a guy who was a really good player and didn't deserve the treatment. Like Bill Buckner and Chris Webber.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
518 days ago
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Kels, I know what you mean. I remember watching the Ken Burns Baseball documentary, and when they covered that, they showed Maris during the season. He was under scrutiny and pressure all season - from the fans, reporters and MLB that all wanted Mantle to be the guy who broke the record. They documented how he broke down, and how his hair was falling out.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
518 days ago
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And Romi, if that is what brought you in to being the baseball fan you are today, then I am glad the 61 chase happened.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
518 days ago
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The thing I didn't like about McGwire breaking the Maris record was him going to the Maris family and hugging them like he had actually broken the record honestly. I am sure the Maris family thinks differently of McGwire now after his non testimony before the steroids committee in Washington.
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JuTMSY4Legend
518 days ago
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I'm not here to talk about the past...
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
518 days ago
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It was a phony moment by a phony ballplayer. And not phony in a Seinfeld way: "That Michael Jordan is so phony!"


Funny how Sosa had 60+ homers three times, and didn't lead the league any of those years.
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KelsdadAll-Star
518 days ago
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Now we can start counting the days til the Seattle turnaround begins.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
518 days ago
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Go Pilots!
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Niteowl049AAA-er
518 days ago
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meant to write 600th homer in comment above.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
518 days ago
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..... Jr isn't exactly Innocent. There is still a good chance that he took 'roids in his younger years.
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KelsdadAll-Star
518 days ago
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And you are basing that statement on what, exactly?
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JuTMSY4Legend
518 days ago
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i have to agree...

good chance reaks of sensationalism...

Say the era isn't clean is one thing...saying good chance is another...
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Cougar2000All-American
518 days ago
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Think of how great Griffey would have been if not for the injures. GKG (George Kenneth Griffey, Jr) is a better role model than BLM (Barry Lamar Bonds) and wasn't on the Mitchell Report, which is cause for relief for the Cincy organization. He is the media's dream, unlike Bonds, who is a horror show that will take place in a United States Federal Courtroom soon. 16,003 fans. That's sad for a team that's in contention firstly; secondly, they play their home games in a football stadium and thirdly, they had to do battle with the University of Miami's Super Regional game with Arizona last night in Coral Gables.
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OvertheedgeVarsity
517 days ago
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well we know that baseball isnt fixed, otherwise bonds wouldnt be the all time leader and pitchers would just be throwing cock shots to jr to get him to that number one spot, congrats grif
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