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Giants Take 2 of 3 From Marlins

by Trecole696
created July 09, 2009, last edited July 11, 2009
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Even though they failed to pull off the sweep on Wednesday, the Giants beat the Marlins two out of three times this week en route to pulling off yet another series victory.

The big bright spot in the series for the Giants was Barry Zito's magnificent start on Tuesday night. The Giants 18 million dollar fifth starter put forth one of his best
efforts since dawning a Giants uniform in 2007, going 8 1/3 scoreless in his victory over Florida. This start was a huge one for a few different reasons. With Randy Johnson recently hitting the disabled list, the Giants are going to be without their #2 starter for the next couple of weeks, and while The Unit is out, the Giants need their starters to step it up a bit. The two guys in particular who will have the spotlight on them are Barry Zito and Jonathan Sanchez, who's taking Johnson's spot just about 10 days after he lost his own spot in the starting rotation. Although he won three games in the month, Barry Zito did not have a particularly strong June, as he 5.81 ERA and a 1.52 WHIP in the month. The Giants are going to need him to be more like the Zito from May, in which he sported a 3.53 era spanned out over 40 innings of work. Sanchez has really struggled in the rotation all season long, but he had a few nice outings out of the bullpen, and maybe this time off will get him focused again. If the Zito and Sanchez do not pull their weight, the Giants rotation isn't going to be the strength that they have been throughout the season.

While they did do just enough to give the Giants the series victory, the team's offense didn't necessarily have their best offensive series vs. the Marlins. They mustered only 8 runs, as they were shutout in the final game on Wednesday, and part of the reason for that was due to Aaron Rowand's struggles at the plate recently. The Giants leadoff hitter could do no wrong for the first few weeks he was moved to the top spot in the batting order, but over the last four games, Rowand has sort of disappeared offensively. He went 0-11 with 3 K's and just one walk in the three-game set with Florida, and because of it, his batting average has dipped below .290 for the first time since late-May. Not that I'm panicking whatsoever about Rowand's mini-slump, just pointing out why the offense has been somewhat stagnant over the last couple of days.

Vote For Panda: Also, remember tonight is the last night to vote for Pablo Sandoval to get the
final National League All-Star team roster spot. It's basically coming down to Pablo Sandoval or Shane Victorino from Philadelphia, and I believe Sandoval still has the slight edge in total votes right now, but a lot can change over the next 12-24 hours. Sandoval's numbers trump Victorino's in every single category besides stolen bases and runs scored, not too mention Sandoval has the versatility to play three positions and play them all pretty well. If Sandy doesn't get the nod, I would rather it go to Matt Kemp or Mark Reynolds, as those two have been much more deserving than Victorino in my opinion... Anyway, get to the online polls and vote for Pablo Sandoval, as he definitely deserves it!

Trevor Cole The Giants Baseball Blog


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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
122 days ago
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Way to go, Giants! You stay classy, San Fran! Get on up and challenge those overblown Dodgers! Despite your convincing argument for Sandoval, I will still pull for Victorino.


And who knows, someday you might see Zito crack 12 wins! Shutting down a streaking team like the Marlins is pretty good work. Of course, beating up on the Nats and Buccos should be taken with a grain of salt, but give the Marlins credit for re-entering the NL East race.
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Trecole696Red-Shirting
122 days ago
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Although, the Marlins did not have Hanley Ramirez for any of the games. HanRam is really starting to become a tremendous offensive force. He very well could have a 30-30 season, with a .330+ average while driving in and scoring 100+ runs. To me, that's the ultimate value right there. Not doing a little of everything, but a lot of everything. He's got some defensive stuff to work on, and he may end up moving to the outfield eventually, but if there's a better combo of speed, power, and average, someone tell me, cause I think this kid's the one. BTW Sj, can you give me a reason or 2 why your chosing Victorino over Sandoval... or even Matt Kemp for that matter. Unless your a Philly fan.. Even then though, how do you figure Victorino is having a better year than Pablo? Any fan that takes the game seriously has to go with the deserving player, and of this bunch, it's Pablo Sandoval. And if it's not him, it's Matt Kemp, who's got Victorino in average, home runs, RBI, and even stolen bases. Not to mention, he's a gold glove caliber defender. Only guy Victorino would deserve it over of the five in my opinion is Christian Guzman. Not that I dislike Victorino, he's an exciting player to watch and plays the game the right way, but the other are having better years and deserve to be all-stars more than he does.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
121 days ago
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I am a Phillies fan, and this would really be the only reason I'd root for Victorino. I don't care even a bit about the All-Star game, so my thoughts on the subject are less than worthless.
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JuTMSY4Legend
121 days ago
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I voted for him because I'm a homer...
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RomiezzoLegend
122 days ago
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I have been paying close attention to the Giants (especially Trecole's articles) since the signing of Randy Johnson. The Giants have really been doing well, and the Sabean has made some good executive transactions. Johnson has turned out to be much better than most people expected for someone who's injury prone and on the "wrong side" of 42-43 years old. Barry Zito is finally turning out to do well for the Giants after two crappy years in San Fran. They kept their faith in him (even though they had to with all the money he's getting), and they worked with him... and look how he's turning out: pretty damn good. Lincecum is Lincecum (he had a pretty tough couple of outings in the beginning if I recall), but he's LIGHTS OUT now.

Now, for the offense. Pablo Sandoval... what to say about this guy. Boy am I glad I have him in the AGM Fantasy league. He's the dangerous batter in the Giants' much improved lineup. In his rookie season, Sandoval has 13 homers, 48 RBI's, and a .328 average. He's on the pace for hitting just shy of 200 hits, as well as hitting around 100 RBI's. Not bad at all. The Giants have really improved, and, no disrespect to the Dodgers or their fans, but I would love to see the Giants do even better than they're doing right now, and take the lead in the "surprisingly" competitive NL West (surprisingly, as in, no one talks about them).

Shane Victorino is one of the greatest examples of what a hustler is. Victorino has incredible range on the field, beats out bunts for infield singles to get rallies going, and is just a great productive hitter on the field. It would be tough for me to vote between Victorino and Sandoval (and Guzman, as well... he's been very well for the Nats)... if I was voting. However, I promised myself I wouldn't take part in All-Star voting anymore.
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Trecole696Red-Shirting
120 days ago
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Great comment Romiezzo. I always appreciate your insight and thoughts, and you really hit the nail right on the head with your analysis here, IMO. I am not trying to discredit Victorino in the slightest. Victorino is a helluva a ball player and a guy that can do a little bit of everything well. However, looking across the board, Sandavol has him beat in almost every single statistical category. And of course, I still dont get how the league's third best hitter (average wise) does not end up on the all-star team?? Also, while Victorino is incredibly valuable to the Phills, take him off that roster, and they're still a pretty good team. Take Sandoval off the Giants roster, and their offense is pretty dismal.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
120 days ago
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The All-Star game has little to do with actual value to a team. While your arguments for Sandoval are absolutely valid, Victorino has two advantages over Sandoval.


(1) He's a known quantity around the league, and especially by the fans, while Sandoval is a second year player playing for a team that generated no buzz at all last year; and


(2) Victorino has a World Series ring (and a classic playoff grand slam off an overblown star pitcher) to his credit, while Sandoval is just getting started.


Give it 2 or 3 years. If Sandoval continues to play like this, Victorino will be yesterday's news and Sandoval will be the fan favorite.
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RomiezzoLegend
120 days ago
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Both points of view are great perspectives and I'm fine with either of them. One point of view seems like a view that is based on [I don't want to say popularity, but maybe] the "hype" of a player, as well as how well. Shane Victorino, as Sj said, is a great player, and has proved that he can come through in the clutch when they need him. A member of the reigning baseball champions, Victorino is one of the many great pieces to the Phillies' offense, and is one of the reasons why he is so special. Not only that, but he is a hustler and a great fielder, key traits that represent what baseball should represent.

The other point of view is more like my view: a view where you look at players' performances based on this season and this season only. You look more for what he's done and his value with his team rather than his popularity. Without Sandoval, where would the Giants be? Well, their offense wouldn't nearly be as good as it is now. Take him out, and the Giants' offense wouldn't look as good as their numbers show. Take Victorino out, and you still have Howard, Utley, Werth, and Ibanez (all who are in the All Star Game, by the way). So, as you can see, the Phillies are stacked, which may prove why Victorino may have more runs or more RBI's or whatever.

The conclusion of this is that I guess you have to take a little bit from both standpoints. Sandoval may be 3rd in the league in batting average, but you know what? He was facing a lot of competition in that final ballot, and in the end, the "better choice" was picked by the fans.

Congratulations to Shane Victorino. He definitely earned that spot.
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Trecole696Red-Shirting
120 days ago
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Not disagreeing with you guys at all....

No matter what you tell me though, your not going to change my mind that Pablo Sandoval should be on the all star team. He's the third leading hitter in the NL for crying out loud. He's got 50 RBI's and 13 home runs. Who cares how long he's been in the league or how old he is. I bet that if you ask all the pitchers in the NL who they'd rather face right now between Sandoval and Victorino, I would bet that Sandoval's name wouldn't be the answer for too many of em... Just sayin...

But yes, Sandoval will have many of opportunities to make an all-star team. And Victorino is a fun player to watch and I'm really not taking anything away from him. He brings a ton of value to a team, and will do so for the NL squad.
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