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Germany 3 - 2 Turkey

by Panda Team
created June 25, 2008, last edited June 27, 2008
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Well this was a much better game than anyone had a right to expect, and mostly it was sweet schadenfreude as the Germans were terrible. But then they ruined it at the end by pinching the win.

In the first half the Germans were slow and sloppy and didn't close down or track runners or do the basics at all, and the opening goal came when nobody marked a striker as he ran 20 yards to receive a throw-in, a cross was slung in and after a bizarre rebound off the bar Lehmann fumbled the ball over the line. And it was no more than the Turks deserved, after they'd dominated, taken the game on and hit the bar once already. The Germans got an undeserved equaliser when Podolski screamed off down the left and crossed for Schweinsteiger, who'd made a clever stuttered run across from the right, to clip it home. And then for the rest of the game the Germans were rubbish. They gave the ball away, they failed to close down, and the only pace they have in the side is Podolski. I think they're incredibly easy to stop - Schweinsteiger is a tidy and sometimes clever player, but against any reasonably athletic full-back he has to turn back every time because he hasn't got a prayer of going round the outside. The big surprise was that Philip Lahm had an awful game. Playing against Colin Kazim-Richards, who is not THAT strong or that quick, Lahm absolutely couldn't cope, and he was beaten and gave free-kicks away all night. This was a litmus game, and I'm afraid he is not a good defender, however impressive he looks up the other end of the pitch.

So the Turks dominated, and made half chances and won corners, but didn't score, and then Lahm broke into the box and was cleaned out by the defender and the ref didn't give the penalty (though it was as clear as ever you will see). Before the half Rolfes (who was TERRIBLE tonight, having been good against Portugal) brutally fouled an opponent and cut his head open doing it, so Frings came on despite injury. And with about ten minutes to go Rustu came for a cross and got nowhere near it and Klose headed into the empty net. But before there was time to feel sorry for the Turks they equalised, with Lahm badly beaten down the right and the excellent Semih clipping it in at the near post (with Lhmann again at fault). For a moment it seemed justice would be done, but then Lahm again made it into the box off a one-two and his finished coolly, high inside the near post as Rustu went down early.

Germany are in the final, but really aren't a good side. A decent top six Premiership side would have no problems against them at all, and it's not inconceivable that they could lose by 2/3/4 goals in the final. But again, they've got a day's extra rest over their opponents, and again they haven't played extra-time, and both of those factors matter. I feel immensely sympathetic towards Turkey, because they gave a really fine, brave, controlled, confident performance even after injuries cost them several first-team players, and the result was a real injustice. The standard of play at this tournament is not high, but this was an exciting and absorbing game to watch.


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SSreportersLegend
522 days ago
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Germany are indeed the best side of the tournament, I think they will definitely win the title.</sarcasm>
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
522 days ago
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I haven't been on the site much, but the last prediction I saw you make was about a certain basketball team in Detroit beating a certain other team from Boston. How did that work out again?
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SSreportersLegend
522 days ago
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And I said the Giants would beat the Patriots, you have a 50/50 with me....
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
522 days ago
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Yeah, you make predictions based on who you want to win, and sometimes you're right. Hey, remember when you said you couldn't understand why Lehmann was Germany's keeper, then you found out the 2 backups have a combined 1 international game under their belts, then you suddenly disapeared from the debate?
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SSreportersLegend
522 days ago
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I haven't read the comment yet, I stepped out and came back 2 hours ago.


Did I want the Patriots to lose? Yes. But, even from a neutral standpoint I still would've picked the Giants because of their run versus the Patriots scraping by.


And why single me out? A good chunk of this community said "Pistons over Celtics". Did I want the Lakers to win? Yes, you know how I feel towards Boston sports fans. However, I picked the Celtics because they were the better team.


And speaking of win, how about you going bananas over the commentators correctly saying Germany played poorly against a 2nd rate Turkey side that was depleted?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
522 days ago
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Not surprisingly, you completely misunderstood my complaints about the commentators. I agreed with them about which side was playing better in the 1st half, but they made it seem as though Germany's goal was due to a bad call or some other stroke of luck. Similar to Panda here, they portrayed it as being undeserved. The announcers explicitly stated that they wanted Turkey to win and that they were not "Going to say anything bad about the Turks." And at the end of the second half they made it seem as though Germany was lucky to not be down by 2 or 3 goals. I single you out because you were on your little AGM hiatus yet still sent me a message with your pipe dream prediction, even though I'm not a big Celtics fans.
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SalmanpourVarsity
521 days ago
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First of all Croatia isn't a bad team. They have the potential to beat any other country, they have beaten england a couple of times already.

Germany isn't the best team in this tournament, the best was (Netherlands) they didn't take the Russians that seriously in the Quarterfinals, and after the 90' Mins of the game they lost all their stamina and gave up. Now the best team are either Russia or Spain, but I'm more in favor for Spain. Germany would need a stronger and more reliable goalie if they have to face against Spanish goalie, Iker Casillas is the best goalkeeper in the World, its going take soo many shots towards the goal to crack the ball through him, so far 2 goals beside the penalties shoot out (which he stopped 2 btw) had been scored against him. Germany defenders are in for a treat once they play against the Spanish offense, Italy was said that they had one of the best defensive team in the whole entire League, and if they are! you should have seen how many times the Spanish offense played around their defenders and almost scored numerous times.

Now about Russia, they are a team that no one expected to reach this far! and I'm still shocked that they did. They are a team filled with potential and up for any task coming up against them. One of the advantages for Russian is that their stamina are very high and they have a great amount of endurance towards physical pain.

Its going to be one hell of a Euro Cup.
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OrangeboxVarsity
522 days ago
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Awesome game too bad for the lightning in Basel

I applaud Turkey's effort coming back in 3 of the 4 last games and trying to pull another one today.

This team will be a force in 2010...... if they qualify
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
522 days ago
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"The Germans got an undeserved equaliser when Podolski screamed off down the left and crossed for Schweinsteiger"

What exactly made this goal "undeserved?" Was Schweinsteiger offside? Did Podolski commit a foul? Just because a goal comes on a counterattack instead of a long stretch of possession doesn't mean it's undeserved.

"And then for the rest of the game the Germans were rubbish."

The TV outages must have affected your coverage even more. You obviously missed the entire 2nd half.

A top 6 EPL side would beat the Germans? So Aston Villa and Everton would do something that the Portuguese national team couldn't? Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.


SSR, Panda, grow up and admit that Germany has a great team. Are they the best in the tournament? We'll see on Sunday. But this land of make believe you both seem to be stuck in is psychologically unhealthy.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
522 days ago
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World Soccer Daily affects the minds of many, others read too much Big Soccer and Ives
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Panda TeamWaterboy
521 days ago
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A GREAT team? A GREAT team? Are you serious? Besides Ballack, who of this German side would get into a truly great international side like France 98/2000 or Brazil 94/98? The Brazil of 2002 had Ronaldo, Rivaldo AND Ronaldinho in it, and the French sides I mentioned had Zidane, Henry, Thuram and Vieira in his pomp. Not one present German player is in that sort of league. And I would back Villa against them because a) they can handle the physical stuff (that Portugal had problems with), b) I don't see the Germans making many chances against a disciplined side defending well and c) because I think Agbonlahor, Ashley Young and Gareth Barry would make chances against them.
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Panda TeamWaterboy
521 days ago
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And let's not forget they lost to Croatia.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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If you'd take Aston Villa over Germany, then I'm gonna have to start making sports bets with you.

We all know great teams are built on great individual players, like those on the English national team. England has got guys like Rooney, Gerrard, Beckham, and Terry. And so far, England is undefeated in Euro 2008.

All the German national team has done recently is get to the European finals, finish 3rd in the World Cup in '06, and 2nd in the '02 World Cup. You're right, they're NOT a great team, they just play with great teams and go deep into tournaments with them.

And if you think Michael Ballack would get onto other top international sides, but Lukas Podolski and Bastian Schweinsteiger wouldn't, I suggest you actually start watching the game of soccer/football/Fußball. It's a great sport, you're missing out. You probably just recognize him and only him because he plays in England.
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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Ah, the key in there is that they never WON a title.
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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Sorry, I meant they never WON a title in all of those scenarios you just mentioned.


They last won a title in Euro 96, and the time before that they embarrassed the whole nation by not even winning in the final against a team that didn't even originally qualify (that would be Denmark).


The Germans had their heyday in the 80s and 70s with Beckenbauer and Muller, they are a great, but not a title winning side.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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So wait, SSR, winning is important? I thought deserving to win and being the better team on paper was what counts.

It's true Germany haven't won a title in 12 whole years. I never said they were the best team in the world, simply that they are among the great teams out there.

And when was the last time England won either Euro or the World Cup? 1966. How about the Dutch? 1988. The Spanish? 1964. Portugal? Never.

They're ranked 5th in the world by FIFA. They're in the European finals and 2 years ago finished 3rd in the World Cup after forcing extra time with the eventual champions.

Yet somehow, they're not great?
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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Sorry, but the FIFA rankings are BS and you know it, you're smarter than that.


Remember before the World Cup the US was ranked 5th in the world? I thought so......


Frankly, I agree with Panda Team's first comment (except the Villa part, that's just stupid), they aren't a team that can make it over the hump, not a title team, a great team, but not a title worthy team.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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Yeah, they're no Greece. No team is a title team until they've won a title. Italy wasn't a title team until they won the World Cup. The NY Giants weren't a title team until they beat the Patriots. The game is played on grass, not paper, and certainly not in your head.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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And is Spain one of these "title teams?"
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RohandevganAll-American
521 days ago
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Germany don't deserve to be there. If everyone saw replays Ballack pushed Ferreira for his goal which was the winner against Portugal. They beat lowly Poland unconvincingly if they are said to be the best and they lost to Croatia. Turkey had nine first eleven players suspended and injured and still deserved to win, So from which aspect do they deserve to be in the finals.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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How exactly did Turkey "deserve" to win? Didn't Germany score more goals? And didn't the Turks get away with a foul inside the box that should have been a penalty?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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And how was their win against Poland unconvincing? Just because they didn't beat them 4-0? Is that what it takes to be a great team? Win by 3 or 4 goals in the group stages, like the Netherlands did.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
521 days ago
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More plusses if I could Rawb. The concept of scoring more points to win must be a tough one to understand for these guys.
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RomiezzoLegend
521 days ago
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It has been said that Germany's defense is good. However, the reason why that could possibly be true is because they hardly move. More than half their team just stays put on the defensive end, and when the other team runs out of stamina, that's when they take advantage and score.

Defeating England more than once really says something about Croatia. It's because of them (and RUSSIA) that England didn't even qualify for the Euro Cup. Croatia does not suck; therefore, Croatia's game doesn't mean anything since Germany still made it.

Like you, Salmanpour, I'm rooting for Spain. If Spain advances to the final round, I guarantee you that Spain is going to win. They really look strong... especially Iker Casillas. And like you said, he has only allowed 2 goals in this Euro Cup.

I don't mind if Russia goes to the finals either... just as long as they beat Germany.

Germany is not a great team; they're good, but not great. They were lucky that 9 Turkish players were either injured or suspended. They need a frickin' goalie to play forward for Turkey! That just says it all right there. I think Rohandevgan said it best: Germany doesn't deserve to be in the Finals. They didn't play against the best Turkish team. I'm not saying that it's not their fault that it all came down to this. I'm just saying that if Turkey actually had some of these players, they would've won.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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That's bullshit theorizing, Romi. Turkey barely got to the semi-finals, remember? They scored at 120'+1' to force penalty kicks against Croatia. And how the hell can you say crap like if they had their best players they definitely would have won? How do you or anyone else know that? All this crap about "deserving" to be in the finals...if not the Germans than who deserves to be there and why? Portugal? The Netherlands? England? Italy? Sweden? Greece?
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RomiezzoLegend
521 days ago
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Rawb, I never said that Turkey would've definitely won against Germany if they had more starters being able to play. I do, however, believe that Turkey would've had a better chance of winning though. 9 subs played for a longer time span: a full 90 minutes.

I didn't mean to degrade Germany. I take back saying that Germany doesn't deserve to be in the finals. Any team who defeats another team deserves to win. However, I say that Germany got off easy in the semifinals.

Comparing Germany to England, Portugal, and all those other teams you mentioned, they do have good teams. They all got eliminated when playing against their opponent's best (or close to best) teams. A couple of players who are injured and/or suspended... that's fine. But just about every single starter... that's something else. Turkey just got unlucky

Congrats to Germany on advancing though. It's going to be something totally different when they play against Spain or Russia though.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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I agree that Turkey would obviously have had a better chance had they been healthier. But that's a part of the game. When you say something like:

"I'm just saying that if Turkey actually had some of these players, they would've won."

It's going to set me off, the same way a non-Patriots fan would be set off if I were to say "Had Brady been healthy, the Pats would have won." There's simply know way of knowing, and injuries are part of the game.
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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And Plaxico Burress hurt his knee getting out of the shower that same week and caught the winning touchdown......
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JuTMSY4Legend
521 days ago
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One time Donovan McNabb threw 4 touchdowns against Arizona...



On a broken ankle
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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Then a tummy ache in the Super Bowl was too much for him. Couldn't resist.
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JuTMSY4Legend
521 days ago
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All the Cameras on you will do that...
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RomiezzoLegend
521 days ago
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That's exactly true, Rawb. You can't say that because a guy is injured, the game's results would shift just like that. There are a lot of other things that affect the game. A player can still play well injured, a player might suck playing injured, and a player might even get impede someone from playing. Like you said, it's part of the game.
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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Then Tom Brady's invisible shoulder injury ended up blowing him up in the end.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
521 days ago
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Russia has been amazing, but for the next game, Spain has got history behind them - who knows, those young russians have defied the odds before...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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Not a very long history of late tournament succes for Spain though.
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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Germany deserves to be there and win every tournament for years to come.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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SSR, once again a phenominal counter argument.
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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I'm just giving you a rough translation of what you're trying to say.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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When did I ever say anything about Germany winning another tournament? In fact, I haven't even predicted Germany will win this tournament. Why don't you do something besides minusing every comment I make that you don't like and putting words in my mouth. And why would you translate what I'm trying to say? Just in case I speak a different language than myself?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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Do you even know how to support any of your BS arguments? Here's basically what you've been doing:

1. State opinion as if it were fact.

2. Ignore questions and counter arguments.

3. Minus Rawbeezeitz for disagreeing.

You haven't backed up any of your claims about Germany not deserving to be in the finals, or not being a great team. You question Jens Lehmann being in net even though his backups have no experience, then you skedaddle. You criticize the Germans for the same things you praise the Turks for (not having as much talent as everyone else, getting deep into a tournament by playing the best and winning even when you don't dominate the game).
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JuTMSY4Legend
521 days ago
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I love when someone else gets into it with Rawb...

Problem here is...I agree with him ; - )

"Allow myself to introduce...myself"
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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Minus Rawbeezeitz for disagreeing.


And your minuses are for???
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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Well, yeah JuT, you homer!:)
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KelsdadAll-Star
521 days ago
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Where'd SS's minuses come from? After all, there's only two of you here....
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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I minused SSR for saying stupid things about "deserving" to win and for his expert analysis of Joachim Löw's decision to start Jens Lehmann.
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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Ah, but he doesn't stop with me, he criticizes constructive arguments from Romi and Panda Team!


Is it really you Pnatt?
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JuTMSY4Legend
521 days ago
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I'll admit that Rawb and I have had our arguments but he's not Pnatt-esque (for one, he likes the NFL) Its one thing to criticize, argue or even fight...its another to also suck at it...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
521 days ago
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To be honest, I didn't find Romi's or your argument to be very constructive.
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KelsdadAll-Star
521 days ago
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So, then, the minuses are because you disagreed with him?
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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Stupid americans, if the NFL was like the Australian Rules Football then we would all enjoy your lousy sport.:)
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JuTMSY4Legend
521 days ago
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that deserves a minus even if you are kidding SSR...hahaha
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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Jan: I expect you to forget anything that you think may have happened between us and exhibit completely professional behavior.


Michael: Been thinking about you.
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JuTMSY4Legend
521 days ago
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Office quotes are the way to convince me...touche
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RomiezzoLegend
521 days ago
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To be honest, guys, I didn't really find my comment very constructive either. When reading it again, I thought to myself, "was that really me?" I always talk to people who always say things like "they deserve to win". I was talking to A_QQ right before I posted my comment and he was talking about the game because he knew more about the game than I did. After talking to him, he kinda convinced me that if Turkey wasn't so "unlucky", so to speak, they would've won. My bad, guys.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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No, Kelsdad, if he formulated his opinions in a sensible and constructive manner, or addressed my opinions instead of dodging them; I wouldn't have minused him.

But comments like:

"Germany are indeed the best side of the tournament, I think they will definitely win the title.</sarcasm> "

And the remix:

"Germany deserves to be there and win every tournament for years to come."

And this one:

"The big problem with Germany of course is that piece of garbage called Jens Lehmann.....how he is the #1 for Germany is beyond me."

These types comments will result in a minus from me.
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KelsdadAll-Star
521 days ago
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"These types comments will result in a minus from me."

"Lousy sport? Isn't this argument about soccer"

These too?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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You know what happens when you assume, Kelsdad?
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KelsdadAll-Star
521 days ago
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Yes, I do, Rawbee...
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KelsdadAll-Star
521 days ago
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Lousy sport? Isn't this argument about soccer?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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I didn't minus this comment.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
521 days ago
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Okay so in whole I've been withholding from this converstaion but now I will add my 2 cents:

Like I said before the tournament - the Euros are a complete and total crapshoot.

I have the Swiss (pre-Frei injuring) and Portugal makes deep runs and neither of them reached my expectations, but that's because anything and everything happens in the Euros.

It's the "March Madness" of European Soccer, it's all do or die so you get desperate and dramatic results, especially at the end of games.

If the Euros are a way to meassure the quality of a side then Greece was the most quality side in Europe in 2004... we all know that's bullocks.

Look this tournament is not the World Cup, you can't make judgements off of it. The best you can do is see how teams will form-up when World Cup Qualifying comes about.

The only thing I take fromt his tournament are individual performances and these are the guys who have impressed me:

  • Baston Schweinsteiger, Michael Ballack - Germany
  • Nihat, Tuncay and Ugar Boral - Turkey
  • Nuno Gomes - Portugal
  • Frank Ribery - France
  • Christian Fuchs - Austira
  • Adrian Mutu - Romania
  • Andri Arshavin - Russia
  • Xavi, Fabergas - Spain
  • Van Der Varrt, Boulahrouz - Holland
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JuTMSY4Legend
521 days ago
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most tourney's have a crap-shoot side to them...that's why people like them...
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LASportsblogAAA-er
521 days ago
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So why then, take serious conclusions from them?
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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I'd like to add on your list: Andy Gray, ESPN
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LASportsblogAAA-er
521 days ago
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Good point SSR! Acutally I hope this tourny will be the start of using more overseas talent for the World Cup and other Soccer events aired on ESPN in the US. NO MORE DAVE O'BRIAN!!!
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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O'Brien was fired a long time ago and so was Eric Wynalda.


Adrian Healey and Andy Gray will do the final, which is a huge surprise because Derek Rae did most of the matches.
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SSreportersLegend
521 days ago
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Okay, you want a constructive argument? Here you go:


1. They beat down Poland, no question about that, but it's too obvious that Mario Gomez was crap.


2. Croatia beat them down as well. The only offense they produced came from Podolski, they generated zero offense until the Podolski goal and that essentially was it as far as good chances.


3. They barely beat Austria, AUSTRIA!!! The only goal they scored came from a wonderful free kick from Michael Bollocks. Again, they barely mustered any offense for much of the game. The group they were supposed to breeze through ended up being a last gasp 1-0 slugfest over these minnows and I'm supposed to take them seriously?


4. Okay, they showed up against Portugal, I'll give them that, but even so, that offense by Germany lives on slowing down the opposition and scoring on set plays, which Portugal is absolutely horrible in defending. With their domination of Portugal, they STILL had to survive the last few minutes because they gave up an easy goal to Helder Postiga.


5. Semi-finals, they are the overwhelming favorites over Turkey, no Tuncay, neither of the Emres, no Nihat Kaveci, no nothing, that's a depleted side that basically a 2nd rate team in the semifinals. Again, they play very flat football, they should've been down on the Kazim shot that hit the bar, and they ended up being down because Lehmann fumbled Boral's effort. They got the equalizer because again, Podolski is Germany's offense. Germany's supposed solid defense was getting ripped to shreds by a 2nd rate side, constant pressure, they weren't defending set pieces well and were very lucky to not be down at halftime, they did not play well at all.


The 2nd half belonged to Germany, yet even after the Klose header (which was more or less Rustu's inability to handle that cross), which should've been the winner, yet Semih Senturk plays lifeguard again. They took advantage of the poor defense of Turkey in the end and Lahm played it well into the net.


6. This was the favorite? They had to win at the last minute to beat a depleted 2nd rate Turkey side who, as you said, got here by shear luck? This was the side that played flat against Croatia and lost, had a 1-0 result against Austria, and had to hang on for dear life to beat Portugal and Turkey.


7. Here's the problem I have with them. They do not handle speed very well, and, as things stand, they will face Spain, and boy are they quick for the full 90 minutes. Germany just sits back all the time on defense, they bunch 6 in the back, and just sit there, maybe when a free kick goes wrong then they'll bring 3 forward and play it out wide to Podolski and hope the cross goes well for the Germans.


You cannot convince me at all that this is the team that is going to win the European Cup at all Rawb.


Q.E.D.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
521 days ago
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When have I tried convincing you that they WOULD win the title? I'm not dumb enough to try to convince someone of an unknown future event.

But even in your argument here, which is thankfully well structured, you fail to give Germany credit for anything. You belittle the fact that Podolski is an offensive force (ignoring Schweinsteiger, Ballack, and Klose). You criticize them for being good on set plays. You even give them crap for beating Portugal. Every good thing Germany has done, you minimize. Every bad thing Germany has done, you maximize. Mario Gomez's performance against Poland? Who cares?

Germany's defense isn't strong, which is probably why they play such a slow-tempo offense. They don't want to extend themselves and allow counter-attacks that their defense will struggle with. It's a system that works for them, which is why they've always been a top tournament team. They recognize their strengths and weaknesses, their opponent's strengths and weaknesses; then formulate a successful gameplan. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it doesn't work.

If Germany wins the title, do you think anyone will care about how they didn't demolish Austria? Against Austria, all they had to do was draw, and they played as if that was all they had to do. They won and advanced. I suppose they should be more like the Netherlands and thrash their opponents, then underestimate a seemingly weaker one. Even if Germany loses on Sunday, nobody will care about the Austria game...except you.

Spain didn't exactly beat an amazing side in their semifinal match, either. And didn't Spain barely beat Sweden? And doesn't Spain sometimes have trouble in defending set plays? You can do this specific criticism for every team.

To be honest, I don't know who will win on Sunday. I think Germany has a shot, though. Especially if they're as lucky as you think they are.
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