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Even the Red Sox Rooted for David Wells

by LouGehrig
created May 17, 2009, last edited May 21, 2009
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by Harold Friend

The Red Sox were in their clubhouse after having beaten Kansas City to run their record to 27-15, but most of the players were not showering or changing into street clothes. They were watching television.

Red Sox Rooting for the Yankees

Jeff Frye, Boston's second baseman, said in disbelief, "Red Sox rooting for the Yankees." Jim Leyritz asked, almost rhetorically, "How many times you going to see that?" Jim Corsi answered the former Yankees' World Series hero. "That is the only time."

Toronto Rooted for David Wells

In Toronto, Pat Hentgen had also been watching television. "It's incredible. I've known him for years and I couldn't be happier for him. He has a carefree attitude and just goes out there and pitches. When I saw his breaking ball in the ninth inning, it was electric."

Blue Jays' third baseman Ed Sprague added, "He's definitely a free spirit. He's the kind of guy who doesn't do anything all winter. He doesn't pick up the ball. He just goes out there and throws the ball. He's been blessed with a great left arm. We were really pulling for him."

Joe Torre Said David Wells Could Pitch a No-Hitter

Only the Minnesota Twins were not rooting for David Wells. On May 17, 1998, David Wells faced 27 Minnesota batters and retired all of them. A few days earlier, Yankees' manager Joe Torre said that Wells' had so much ability that on any given day, he could pitch a no-hitter. When Wells found out what Torre had said, Wells was skeptical. "Get out of here. I throw too many pitches over the plate and someone is bound to get a hit."

Tim McClelland's Strike Zone

It was a cloudy, overcast day, with a temperature at about 59 degrees on the first Beanie Baby Day at Yankee Stadium. Wells preferred cool weather. Home plate umpire Tim McClelland called high fastballs strikes and called pitches that might have been an inch on either side of the plate strikes for both Wells and Twins' starter LaTroy Hawkins.

Scott Brosius Kept Quiet

Scott Brosius knew what could be happening as early as the fifth inning. Brosius was called out on strikes on a Hawkins fastball that he thought was just outside, but Scott kept quiet. "I'm not about to stand up there and argue a call and then maybe have him change the zone for our pitcher the next inning. You take it and walk away."

Take Out Wells?

As the game continued, the Yankees' fielders became more intense. Chad Curtis pointed out that they were on hair triggers, jumping as Wells started his delivery, hoping to get a better jump on any batted ball. After the seventh inning, Joe Torre, trying to break the tension, turned to pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre and asked Mel to tell Wells that he was being taken out for a relief pitcher. In the ninth inning, David Cone was so nervous, he couldn't watch. Cone pulled his jacket over his head, an action he couldn't repeat on July 18, 1999.

Derek Jeter Almost Lost It

Wells almost lost the perfect game and the no-hitter in the eighth inning. Marty Cordova hit a ground ball to the left side of the infield that Derek Jeter fielded, but the ball almost slipped out of his glove. The top of the ball could be seen at the end of webbing of Derek's glove, but he made the play. "I almost missed it. I'm not going to lie."

Closest to a Hit

The next batter hit what was the closest thing to a hit the Twins would get. Ron Coomer hit a hard smash to Chuck Knoblauch's right that the second baseman knocked down, picked up, and fired to first for the out. "I'll be honest with you. I'm not trying to downplay it, but it was just a normal play."

Right fielder Paul O'Neill caught Pat Meares' fly ball for the 27th out. O'Neill pumped his fist in the air for the no-hitter, but he didn't realize it was a perfect game. He kiddingly asked Torre if he should heave the ball into the stands.

Celebrate With Pizza

The evening after the game, Wells, David Cone, and Graeme Lloyd went to an upper east side Manhattan restaurant for pizza. As the trio entered the restaurant, the patrons stood up and gave David a round of applause. Mets' catcher Todd Pratt led the contingent.

References:

It's Root, Root, Root for a Rival Team. (1998, May 18). New York Times (1857-Current file),C6. Retrieved May 17, 2009, from ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (1851 - 2005) database. (Document ID: 117001025).

By BUSTER OLNEY. (1998, May 18). Perfect Fit: Pitches, Weather, Umpire :Yankee teammates kept quiet, even at their own expense.. New York Times (1857-Current file),p. C7. Retrieved May 17, 2009, from ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (1851 - 2005) database. (Document ID: 117001028).

By RICHARD SANDOMIR. (1998, May 19). After Perfection, He's Toast of the Town :Toasting Wells's Perfection . New York Times (1857-Current file),C1. Retrieved May 17, 2009, from ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (1851 - 2005) database. (Document ID: 117061733).


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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
177 days ago
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I'm sure David Wells didn't celebrate with just pizza.
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
176 days ago
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What can you expect from the New York Times?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
176 days ago
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Enchantment.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
176 days ago
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There's some classic names from my baseball fan childhood in here. Jeff Frye who could play ever position adequately, and had 1 more career HR (16 total) than he did appearances as a DH. Ed Sprague who won a bought with the Mendoza Line for the Red Sox in 2001, it was a split-decision.


And it's hard to believe that both Wells and Cone wound up on the Red Sox.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
176 days ago
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bout^^^
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
174 days ago
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.215 User is a fan of Mario Mendoza.
Hey, he was still better than you!
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
176 days ago
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The fans believe in the rivalry more than the players. See Sparky Lyle, Wade Boggs, Roger Clemens, and Johnny Damon. Go back, and remember Lu Clinton and Bob Tillman. And Ellie Howard went to Boston to try to help them in 1967
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
176 days ago
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No kidding, sort of like EVERY rivalry.
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
175 days ago
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I am reminded of the Sports Illustrated cover featuring David Wells: David Wells Diet: Beer, Chips and Batters
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
175 days ago
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How does David Wells' supplements to his meals compare to those of Roger Clemens?
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CheezerAll-Star
175 days ago
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They're cheaper?
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RomiezzoLegend
175 days ago
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A pill or two less...
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
175 days ago
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200 or so less wins? hard to tell on the overall poundage, they might be in the same ballpark.
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
174 days ago
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If you had to win one game, would you take Roger Clemens or David Wells? How about Sandy Koufax?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
174 days ago
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Clemens if between him and Wells. Definitely Koufax overall...Or Bob Gibson.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
174 days ago
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Pedro Martinez
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
173 days ago
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I'll concede that Pedro had some great seasons, but as an overall body of work, I'd definitely put the ball in the hand of Koufax or Gibson. There are some other pitchers, such as Marichal, Spahn, Ford, Carlton, Seaver and even Curt Shilling (as long as it was post season for Shilling) that I'd want more than Pedro. Just my opinion, though...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
173 days ago
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Well it's such a weird question, having a pitcher start "one game" for you. I've always assumed that the answer would mean having that pitcher on their best day, because I can't fathom having Pedro's "body of work" pitch a game, but I can fathom Pedro Martinez circa 1999-2000 pitching, because he actually did pitch then.


And saying Pedro had some "great seasons" is like saying Jessica Alba "looks decent in a bikini." ERAs of 2.07 and 1.74 in '99 and '00 (league ERAs were in the 4.50 area). In 2000, his WHIP was 0.737. And this was before he became a 7 inning starter, he had 7 complete games in '00, with 4 shutouts.


Pedro Martinez in the late 90s, early 00s was not so much a pitcher as he was a god. Curt Schilling? Pffffffft!!!
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
173 days ago
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Okay, Gibson's ERAs in 1968 & 1969 were 1.12 and 2.18. His 1968 WHIP was 0.853 and he had 28 CGs and 13 shutouts. For Koufax - take your pick: his 1963-1966 ERAs were 1.88, 1.74, 2.04 and 1.73. WHIPs were .0875, .0928, .0855 and .0985 and 20, 15, 27 and 27 CG and 11, 7, 8 and 5 shutouts. I'd say that these numbers are godlike, as Koufax topped 300 IP three times in that span and Gibson topped 300 IP in both seasons. I was a little surprised to see that Pedro had even topped 225 IP (he did it twice).


I'd have a hard time choosing between Gibson or Koufax for my one game pitcher. Certainly no disrespect for Pedro (or your opinion, Rawb), but I would not put him in the conversation with Koufax and Gibson.


Now, for Jessica Alba, I totally agree that "looks decent" is totally understating the facts...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
173 days ago
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Gibson and Koufax pitched in Leagues without designated hitters. Gibson and Koufax didn't pitch in the most prolific hitter's age EVER. I'm not disrespecting Gibson, or Koufax, but you can't just put Gibson's 1.12 against Pedro's 1.74 and simply say Gibson's season was better cuz his ERA was lower. When Pedro had his 1.74, Roger Clemens was 2nd in the AL with a 3.70 ERA.


I'm not trying to say Pedro's season was better than Gibson's, but you have to put things into context. Gibson's mound was 15 inches, Pedro's was 10. Gibson didn't have to face a DH, Pedro did. Pedro also pitched in Fenway Park. The League ERA in Pedro's 1.74 ERA season was 4.92. The League ERA in 1968 was 2.99. Bobby Bolin had a 1.99 ERA to finish 2nd in the NL that year.


And I just learned this from looking at Gibson's stats, he only led his League in ERA once. That's weird. Not that he sucked every other year, but the lowest ERA of all-time is also the only time he led the League.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
173 days ago
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This could go on and on. Gibson and Koufax were also expected to pitch 9 innings. Every game - 28 and 27 CGs? It's astonishing that Pedro even had 7 CGs. G & K had to bat for themselves, didn't have videotape to study or detailed statistical advanced scouting...


We're also both forgetting about Greg Maddux, to add a legit contemporary feel. His 1993-1995 seasons: 2.36, 1.56 and 1.63, 8, 10 and 10 CGs, 1.049, .896 and .811 WHIP and one season ('93) with 267 IP. The only flaw in my argument is the lack of facing a DH. Man, I hate the DH with a passion....


Maybe I'd take Adam Eaton as my pitcher in this hypothetical situation....
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
173 days ago
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There's never been a time tougher for pitchers than the late 90's and early 00's. I'm not saying Pedro's seasons were better than Gibson's, but you suggested that he doesn't belong in the same sentence. That's completely dismissing one of the best pitching stretches in history. In 1999, for instance, he allowed 0.4 HR/9 IP. The League average was 1.2.


You're right, Gibson and Koufax had to bat, there wasn't expansion, and so on and so on. But the NL's ERA was 2.99 in 1968. The AL's ERA was 4.92 in 2000. Remember McGwire? Sosa? Palmeiro? These were the kinds of guys Pedro faced. Everybody was hitting homeruns. All the new retro-ballparks, the ball was wound at its tightest in history, PEDs everywhere.


He belongs in the same sentence as Gibson and Koufax. Oh, he also had a 1.90 ERA his last season in Montreal (while batting), and 13 CGs. Not too shabby.
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
174 days ago
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Koufax or Gibson would give a pretty good chance of winning.
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