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Sj-hypocycloid
Mike Frangione has engaged himself in the noble calling of sportswriting over the years (1991-1997, and again in 2007), enjoying two stints covering (stringing) High School sports for my local newspaper in South Jersey. That was a great learning experience and also a great deal of fun.

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Don't Let The Rain Change The Game

by Sj-hypocycloid
created October 28, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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The rains came to Philadelphia, and with them comes a controversy that ensnares Bud Selig. This guy can't seem to get away from controversy.

From revenue sharing to interleague play to the wild card to the now-tainted 1998 home run chase to the the All-Star Game ending in a tie to the Mitchell Report to the 2008 World Series Game 5 ending in a tie.

Some of these things have turned out to be nightmarish PR issues for Major League Baseball.

But some of these things worked out pretty well. I clearly can't speak for everyone, but I like interleague play, wild card teams and the Mitchell Report.

I was never all that thrilled with the 1998 home run chase, and the revelations of the Mitchell Report certainly didn't soften my stance.

The 2002 All-Star game ending in a tie didn't bother me so much at the time. It's an exhibition game. Honestly, who cares if it ends in a tie? A good way to make sure that doesn't happen again...allow free substitution in the All-Star game. Why not? You have two different sets of rules already in MLB. Is this such an outlandish suggestion?

It's better than having an exhibition game decide which team (League) gets home field advantage in the World Series. "This Time it Counts" ? Hardly. It's a stupid outcome from a stupid situation, and shines a dim light on MLB's inability to plan ahead.

MLB frequently reacts rather than acts. And the 'solutions' they come up with are often worse than the problem they were trying to fix.

This is why I am not going to fuss too much about the events of Game 5. We all knew they were going to start the game come hell or heavy rain. We all suspected somewhere in the third inning that there was at least going to be a rain delay. There are suppositions that MLB let the game go on until there was a tie so they could save face.

Whatever the case is, word on the street is that the game would have been played out to the full nine innings no matter what. If that is the case, why not call a delay/suspension after the fourth inning when things really started to get dicey?

I'm sure that MLB just wanted to get as much of the game in as they could. Whatever. What's done is done.

As a Phillies fan, I am disappointed at how things went down. I am more irritated that the Phillies have already left nine runnners on base through the first six innings. I was really really annoyed with three weak-ass pop ups in the bottom of the 5th with two men on.

I do feel that Cole Hamels has been denied his chance at history (first 5-0 postseason pitcher) by MLB's shortsightedness. The rain certainly affected his pitching. This is not sour grapes - any pitcher would have been adversely affected by that downpour.

And it is the World Series. So MLB would want the players to keep going longer than they would in the regular season.

But the problem will come if MLB and Selig react to this. Who knows what kind of crap they'd come up with? Their solution the All-Star game tie sucked.

Even though it is a basackwards way of doing things, I'd rather just let it go. Chalk this up to "An Act of God" or "circumstances beyond our control" - but don't ask MLB or Selig to do anything to change/fix things.

That would just make things worse.

The St. Petersburg Times has an article in today's edition that looks at the rain suspension situation thusly:

Headline: "FOR THE RAYS, NIGHT NOT SO MISERABLE"

"If you are a traditionalist, you may believe that baseball did the right thing. Eventually. If you are a romantic, you can imagine that the Tampa Bay Rays have just received one more bit of fortune in their wonderful story. Magically. And if you are a Phanatic, you can feel free to worry that Bud Selig has extended the black cloud over Philadelphia for a little bit longer. Accursedly."

Interesting. I see it like this. If the Rays truly believe that MLB did them a favor, then they are in trouble. The Phillies should be furious and ready to kill when the umps call "play ball!"

"...the rain seemed to have awakened the Rays" ? If they needed to be "awakened" then perhaps they shouldn't be here? Why would they need to be awakened? It's the friggin' World Series!

I don't see this as a momentum killer. If not winning a World Series since 1980 didn't kill the momentum, this certainly won't.

So - Bud Selig, do what you do best. Nothing. Continue to sit on your hands and let the adults figure this out.

And Phillies - Don't lose your focus. Don't sweat the small stuff. Forget about the rain. The fans will be there behind you, as they always have.

Go out there and play the way you did in game 4. If you do that, all this rain crap will be washed away and be nothing more than a distant memory. And next thing you know, you could be World Series champs.

Go Phils!


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JuTMSY4Legend
377 days ago
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Whatever the case is, word on the street is that the game would have been played out to the full nine innings no matter what. If that is the case, why not call a delay/suspension after the fourth inning when things really started to get dicey? precisely
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
377 days ago
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Manny - are you sure about the game being replayed if it was less than 5 innings? I would think that this might not be the case, especially in WS time.
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JuTMSY4Legend
377 days ago
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its 4.5 innings if the home team is winning...he's right

if they stopped at 5, technically the game could have been called...and in the case of a regular season game, it might have been

For the World Series, I could not see them doing that...though if this had been game 1-4 or a non-clincher, they'd be tempted
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
377 days ago
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It would be replayed? Rather than picked up where they left off? I know (at least I think...) in the regular season, it would just be done. But the WS is something different.
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JuTMSY4Legend
377 days ago
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yes...you must play at least 4.5 to 5 innings, dependent on who is winning
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
377 days ago
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"MLB's shortsightedness"???

Believe it or not, MLB cannot control the weather.

As for Cole Hamels getting denied... he isn't denied anything. He's still the pitcher of record. If the Phillies score in the bottom of the sixth and hold the lead, he still gets the win.


This is hardly a "Controversy". There was absolutely NO precedent in this case and for once, Bud got it right. He was talking with BOTH teams' GMs the entire game and they BOTH agreed to keep playing.

And here's a news flash... the rain affected Scott Kazmir and the Rays EVERY BIT AS MUCH.

If you want to cry "foul" because the game was not stopped after 4 innings (BTW - if the game is stopped BEFORE the middle of the 5th, they would have to play the WHOLE game over again - a suspension ONLY occurs if the game is "official") blame Pat Gillick, not Bud Selig.

Blame Phillies officials for not having enough Homer Hankies, I mean Terrible Towels, I mean... snotrags on hand to keep the crowd dry.

And WHY is Philly "painting the town red" then waving white towels anyway? They look like a bunch of surrenderers! GET RED TOWELS, you losers!

Stop looking for built in excuses and simply enjoy a terrificly entertaining World Series, ok?
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Steel TownDraft Pick
377 days ago
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Hey, keep the Terrible Towel out of this mess.  :P
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
377 days ago
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SteelTown, I couldn't agree more.


Manny, I agree. It has been a very entertaining World Series. And I did say "This is not sour grapes - any pitcher would have been adversely affected by that downpour." I am going to note that this would indeed include Kazmir.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
377 days ago
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I'd be pissed if I was a Steelers fan (or Twins fan)...

It cracks me up that Phillies fans make fun of the cowbells in the Trop meanwhile, they straight ripped off their gimmick and didn't even do it right!!!

My buddy said they were all out of the "Fightin' Phils" towels so that's why there were so many less of them twirling last night. Furthermore, besides them not being red (because red dye makes them more expensive?) - Why "Fightin'" and not "PHITIN Phils"???
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
377 days ago
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SJ - technically, Cole Hamels is still the pitcher for the Phillies... he can finish the game if he wants. I know he's no 2001 Randy Johnson (Pitching Game 7 in relief the day after throwing a complete game in Game 6)...
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
377 days ago
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Even if he doesn't come back he'll still be eligible for the win if the Phils score in the bottom half of the inning.
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JuTMSY4Legend
377 days ago
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Towels don't make noise I'm not a big fan of them either...but I'm also not Bill Giles...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
377 days ago
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The cowbells have been used for decades. I believe the longhorns started that movement. I know my parents (and me as an infant) had cowbells at the '79 World series. It kinda sucks, I got to go to a Super Bowl and a World Series and I was to young to remember any of it.
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BryantWrestlingAll-American
377 days ago
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Cause Philly fans don't know how to win properly. Uh, is it 1993?
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JuTMSY4Legend
377 days ago
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Cause Philly fans don't know how to win properly. Uh, is it 1993?

I wouldn't know how to win period...

Haven't seen it once...
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
377 days ago
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Pack your bags Phils cause you're goin to Tampa to get diced up. It will be fun to read all of your comments after the Rays whoop up on the Phillies the next three games. Tampa in 7.
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KelsdadAll-Star
377 days ago
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Wanna bet?
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Tmil42AAA-er
377 days ago
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Technically, it's 2 and change games. Definitely not three whole games.
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JuTMSY4Legend
377 days ago
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anyone take the Vegas, Phillies in 5.5 games bet?
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
377 days ago
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The more I think about it, the better off we may be having this delay. Momentum was going in the Rays' direction, but now it's been neutralized. Plus since the Phils are built for their ballpark it will be better to have a game without a whole lot of rain and wind ruining home run opportunities.
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JuTMSY4Legend
377 days ago
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plus the phils have 4 ABs to the Rays 3...
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
376 days ago
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It's over Johnny. It's over. Barack speaks, Tampa lays the wood on the Phils and the Phillies fans have to agonize once again over another team choking. It's like watching a woman who keeps going back to her abusive husband. You think after 25 years you'd all just accept you'll never win. Pathetic. Maybe tonight you'll get a lead and then the locusts will come. It's like a train wreck where you have to watch, but you really just wish you could watch House or 24.
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JuTMSY4Legend
376 days ago
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You think after 25 years you'd all just accept you'll never win. Pathetic.

huh? wouldn't that be called sticking with your team and not hoping on the bandwagon?

Don't you have a mohawk to die blue or something?
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KelsdadAll-Star
376 days ago
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Fox really knows how to schedule programming...the Rays and Barack...back to back losers.
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JuTMSY4Legend
376 days ago
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Kelsdad FTW!
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