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Cutler Fiasco Makes Denver Broncos NFL’s New Oakland Raiders

by Sattown
created April 06, 2009, last edited April 12, 2009
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Oakland Raiders, meet the new Oakland Raiders of the NFL : the Denver Broncos.

The lasting effects of yesterday’s decision to move QB Jay Cutler to the Chicago Bears in exchange for journeyman QB Kyle Orton, a first round pick in 2009 and 2010 plus a third rounder in 2009 will be felt for years to come.

Ever since John Elway retired, the Broncos lone missing piece on multiple occasions was at the QB position.

They tried Brian Griese, and that experiment lasted only a few years; they brought in Jake “the snake” Plummer, and while he was able to lead them to the No. 2 seed in 2005 and a trip to the AFC Conference Championship, his horrendous play vs. the Steelers was a reason that they were unable to advance back to the Super Bowl.

So they went out on draft day 2006 and landed Jay Cutler, their QB of the future. And just three years in, it’s evident that he was the becoming the player they had envisioned him to be when they aggressively moved up the NFL Draft board to snatch him.

But now he’s gone.

And what’s so curious about this is how on earth did Josh McDaniels get the power to make this move?

Because he supposedly has a system from New England?

He has no system. New England has the system, and the players.

In 2006, McDaniels first year as Belichick’s puppet, I mean New England’s offensive coordinator, the Patriots, having dealt Deion Branch, were rather average in the passing department and were forced to win games by playing stout defense, running the ball, and executing game plans to perfection.

The following year, realizing where they were lacking offensive firepower, they went out and landed Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Dante Stallworth and suddenly became the most prolific offense in NFL history.

Should he receive credit for that? I don’t think telling Brady to throw it deep to Moss or hit Welker on a short crossing route would be considered genius.

Last year was impressive. McDaniels deserves credit for getting backup Matt Cassel up to speed, and rattling off 11 wins in the process, but let’s face it—the system being run for Cassel was scaled back—he still had the best WR combo in the league (Moss and Welker), and the offensive game plan was the one Belichick has been running for years.

So McDaniels rode Belichick’s coattails to this position, which never should’ve been available anyway had team owner Pat Bowlen realized that it was Shanahan’s GM skills which were lacking, not his coaching ability.

But I understand. Maybe Shanahan didn’t want to relinquish his GM duties and gave an ultimatum that it was all or nothing.

But back to the question posed a short while ago: How did McDaniels, who’s 32 by the way, get put into a position to be THE deciding voice in the team’s football operations?

That’s a question that only the owner Bowlen can answer.

It’s obvious he was duped into believing he had just grabbed Belichick Jr., but unless Belichick, Brady, and the rest of the offensive weapons are coming over as well, this move is destined to end up for Mcdaniels like Crennel’s and Mangini’s did: with a pink slip.

So just how valuable is the compensation that the Broncos received for Cutler going to be?

This year’s choice is No. 18, and next year, assuming the Bears make a playoff run, will be somewhere in the early to mid 20’s.

I don’t have the numbers off the top of my head, but at last check, around 50 percent of all first round picks went on to succeed in the NFL. And that includes the players in the top 10 who are considered the premier players of the draft.

Would you give up a franchise QB, who’s only now entering his prime, for two mid to late first round draft choices and a third? Not a chance.

And although some are criticizing Cutler for not having a winning record, for having thrown more INTs than TDs in his career, and being shutout from the playoffs to this point, he was 13-1 when the Broncos gave up 21 points or fewer.

Think the Bears are ecstatic about that last stat? They’ve been known to keep teams under 21 points on more than a few occasions.

So it’s easy to see that had the Broncos focused their efforts on revamping its defense rather than pissing off their franchise signal caller, the path to playoff success—and beyond—was right around the corner.

Now, because McDaniels doesn’t give preferential treatment to his “star” players, something he learned in New England, from whom… oh yeah, a guy who had won three Super Bowls and been to four, the Broncos are now in complete rebuilding mode and the franchise has plummeted further than Citi’s stock in 2008.

There is one scenario however, that I don’t want to leave out, which would make this move an extremely favorable one for the Broncos.

If McDaniels can manage to locate a sixth rounder this year named Brady Tom, who goes from the practice squad in 2009 to the starter in week three of 2010, after Kyle Orton is hit so hard that internal bleeding puts him out for an extended period, and then the team rallies around this young signal caller and pulls out a Championship, it will prove to be an excellent move.

Of course, the likeliness of that happening is about 1,000,000,000 to 1.

So we’ll go with the safer bet: The Broncos will win five games this year and McDaniels will be gone by 2011.

And at some point owners will learn that when you’re buying an extension of Belichick, that’s all you’re getting, an extension; not the substance.


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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
240 days ago
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I couldn't be happier with this turn of events. I never did like the Broncos and this is just delicious for someone like me. If Al Davis wasn't senile, I'm sure he'd be enjoying this as well. McDaniel messed up, plain and simple. I am sure Pat Bowlen was beside himself as this situation disintigrated. But what else can he do? Fire a first-year coach who hasn't even coached a regular season (or pre season) game? Nope. Bring on the painful and lengthy rebuilding phase. I'll bet Dan Reeves is loving this...
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CheezerAll-Star
240 days ago
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The Broncos bought themselves some picks to improve their true weakness...their defense. At the same time, they eliminated a prima donna from their locker-room.

By the way, how is Orton a "journeyman" quarterback. He was drafted by the Bears and hasn't journeyed anywhere until this trade.
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JuTMSY4Legend
240 days ago
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i think he plays like a journeyman...he fits the Jon Kitna formula (probably worse actually) I guess the real question is, was Cutler worth 2 firsts...rather was a quality young potential franchise QB worth 2 firsts? - especially if 1 first is probably no better than 15th overall
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
239 days ago
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In terms of "worth" think of it this way...the Bears drafted Cade McNown in the 1st round in 1999, Rex Grossman in the 1st round in 2003, and then they drafted Kyle Orton in the 4th round in 2005. Would it be worth it to have given up both of these picks to get Cutler? I think so. Given the Bears recent draft history (the last 10 years), they should be thrilled to be relived of the burden of having a 1st round pick.

Matt Forte & Devin Hester (2nd rounders), Lance Briggs (3rd rounder), Nathan Vasher (4th rounder) is more where they get value.


Add Curtis Enis (1998 1st rounder) and Rashaan Salaam (1995 1st rounder) and you've got 5 1st rounders who did not have 1st rounder careers.


Yep, be happy, Bears fans. This may work out for you.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
239 days ago
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hmm...my math/editing skills are exposed here... "given up both of these picks" should read "given up all three of these picks" and "5 1st rounders" should be "4 1st rounders"...


"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines..."
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JuTMSY4Legend
239 days ago
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you forgot Cedric Benson ; - )
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
239 days ago
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You know, I thought of him and then couldn't be bothered to look up his numbers. I suspected they were underwhelming. But absent of any concrete info, I left him out. But...point well made! Including him with Enis and Salaam, it looks like the QB is not the only position with which Chicago has a blind spot.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
239 days ago
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And yes, I'd be negligent if I didn't mention that Urlacher in the 1st round was a good pick. That seems to have worked out OK for the Bears. :-)


Then again, he's not a QB or an RB...
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CheezerAll-Star
239 days ago
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I mentioned somewhere else that I severely underestimated his worth. I suppose it makes sense...how much did the Vikings pay for Rosenfels? This may be a case of me not understanding fair market value for a 25 yr old Pro-bowl quarterback.

It remains to be seen how this will play out. If they win a Super Bowl in the next two years, it will be worth it. If they don't and they realize that their aging defense needs an infusion of youth and they have no draft picks to work with, they will be in trouble.
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JuTMSY4Legend
239 days ago
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one half of me says "2 firsts is a lot for any player" while the other thinks "franchise QBs are hard to come by...you could spend 2 firsts looking for one"
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
239 days ago
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I think you understand the situation as well as could be expected. I agree totally that for Chicago, it's Super Bowl or bust. There's always talk of the offense not holding up their end of things. Now they've got a 25-TD QB. This talk should be a thing of the past. I wonder how the D will hold up?


As for Denver...Josh McDaniels...Really? After one season as a starter, a position 'earned' only because the best QB (player?) in the league goes down with an injury, you covet Cassel? Who had a very good season, yes....but has one season as a starter since entering college....And this is the guy who is the cause of this? Over the guy who had been the team's QB for the past two seasons?? Really? Why not settle in, get the lay of the land... Ouch!
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
239 days ago
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To be fair to McDaniels, the Patriots' '07 offense was much more complex than "telling Brady to throw it deep to Moss or hit Welker on a short crossing route would be considered genius." McDaniels deserves some credit for being a good offensive coordinator, not just Belichick's "puppet."


And I don't see what the hooplah over Jay Cutler is. He seems OK, but he throws his share of INTs. And look at how much of a crybaby he was during this whole fiasco. And not just a crybaby, a PUBLIC crybaby. And didn't Cutler ask to be traded?
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False ProphetAll-Star
239 days ago
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THANK GOD FOR A VOICE OF REASON!!!!!!!!!! Cutler is not that great. I broke it down last week, and no matter which way you cut it, he's a good, not great QB who got to inflate his stats with throwaway games against the Raiders and Chiefs. He throws way too many INTs, and had a lower completion pct and QB rating than cassel did last year.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
239 days ago
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While I don't understand the hoopla over Cutler, to say that Cassel is on the same level is also a bit out of hand. One could say Cassel padded his stats against the Bills, Jets and Dolphins. Cassel has started only one year since highschool and he did significantly worse than the guy he was replacing. Cutler on the other hand has continued to grow and improve every year and by all accounts seems to be maturing into a solid QB at the professional level. All Cassel can say is that he went 11-5 with a team Brady took to 16-0.
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JuTMSY4Legend
239 days ago
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waaaaait a second...

Cassel padded his stats against the 11-5 Dolphins, 9-7 Jets and 7-9 Bills, whereas Cutler didn't pad his stats against the 8-8 Chargers, 5-11 Raiders and 2-14 Chiefs?

I'll admit, Cassel did not match one of the greatest seasons by a QB ever (maybe the greatest) even though he had Moss and Welker, but how many other QBs would match 4,800 yards, 69% comp., 50-8 and 117 QB rating? I'd maintain that very few would. Even Randall Cunningham's 1998 season didn't do that...and I'd argue its relatively fair to compare them

Cutler threw 9 TDs and 5 INTs his rookie year, 20 and 14 his 2nd year and 25 and 18 in his 3rd...that ratio seems the same (as in not much improvement)

Cassel played the 14th, 15th and 16th ranked defenses twice in 2008 (division) while Cutler played the 25th, 27th and 31st best...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
239 days ago
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Like I said, I don't think Cutler is the next Brady but he has shown more than Cassel. Your right, his TD to INT ratio did not improve, but his touchdowns and yardage did improve and he made the pro bowl so it's not like I'm making up the fact that he has turned into a solid QB. Cassell played one year. And, no he wasn't going to go 16-0 or match Brady's numbers. But, I did think the Pats were still going to the playoffs when Brady went down. The AFC east may be better than the AFC west but that doesn't mean that the Jets and Bills are tough competition.
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Taytay 24All-American
239 days ago
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FP's "voice of reason" is another Pats fan. Shocker.
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JuTMSY4Legend
239 days ago
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How do you expect Cassel to show improve if he's only played one year?

He threw more TDs in his first (essentially) full year as Cutler and half has many INTs..higher QB rating and more yards

and the AFC West is significantly worse than the AFC East...and while you might argue that the Jets and Bills weren't that great, they were better than either KC or Oakland...and all three (dolphins included) had better defenses than any AFC West team...but a significant margin

Plus, if it weren't for the AFC West's ineptitude and guaranteed spot, that Pats would have made the playoffs...
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SSreportersLegend
239 days ago
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He seems OK, but he throws his share of INTs.


So did Dan Fouts. So did this guy.


McDaniels was a total idiot in this case.


"HEY, I'm new in town and I'm younger than many guys on this roster. What should I do as coach?! I've got it! Cutler, get out. I'm bringing in Cassel."
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
239 days ago
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It's a waiting game. Who won't be paying a little more attention to KC and CHI this year? Either to see a crybaby have a horrible season and/or to see what a backup QB can do now that he's suddenly thrust into the starter's role...


I look forward to seeing how Cutler and Cassell pan out for their new teams. Of course, I hope the Steelers thrash Denver, Kansas City and Chicago when they play, but that's another story. I would love the see the INT prone Cutler that day. :-)


It's interesting to say who has more to prove? Cassel? Or Cutler? Personally, I think Cutler. He whined and made a scene - I think a lot of people will be looking for Cutler to fall on his face. Cassel is going to a team with nothing to show and nothing to lose. All he can do is help them improve.


I expect Cutler to throw a ton of picks, as he should be playing with a chip on his shoulder. But he should also get a shedload of TDs. Should be fun viewing.


Too bad - no Denver/Chicago game this year.

Haha - little did they know. Check out the picutre on this article: http://www.d.../ci_11331103
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CheezerAll-Star
239 days ago
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I could argue the opposite JuT. If you consider Cutler's first full season as a starter (2007) and Cassel's first full season as a starter (2008) using Football Outsider's statistical metrics for evaluation, you will see that Cutler put up 20 TD's vs. 14 ints against the 2nd, 10th and 11th ranked pass defenses. Cassell put up 21 TDs and 11 Ints against the 12th, 16th, and 24th best pass defenses. It seems you are overrating the power of the AFC East defenses.

This analysis is faulty because I used TD and Int numbers for the season and compared them to the defense ranking for only the divisional opponents. But that is exactly what you did by saying that the AFC West is significantly weaker than the AFC East.
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JuTMSY4Legend
239 days ago
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but, as we know...run D affects Pass D (and vice versa), the Bronco's awful defense forced lots of passing situations (for better or worse) and the Patriots often played from in front...

reasonable argument cheez...I think I'm just annoyed that ST suggest Cassel could pad his stats against three teams that arguably were better than the 3 teams Cutler played...

In fact, even this year (Cutler's 3rd...2nd full) Cassel threw 3 fewer (that was for your Alex) TDs and practically half was many INTs...

I'm too lazy to compare common opponents (such as KC, though it was Cassel's first game)...but 6 his hardly a representative sample for either...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
239 days ago
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My point with the stat padding was mainly in regards to FPs suggestion that Cutler looks like a decent QB because he plays in the west. Well, the AFC East isn't exactly the NFC East. So, yest the AFC is better than the AFC West but that doesn't make them good. A 200lb girl is skinnier than a 300lb but she is still fat.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
239 days ago
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I actually think Cutler is a better overall deal than Cassel. Cutler's locked up for 3 more seasons, Cassel's got 1 year under contract, and it's for a hefty $14.6M.


McDaniels was an idiot for letting it get out that he wanted Cassel, especially since the deal was never going to happen. It wouldv'e taken a 3-way trade, and how often does that go down in the NFL? The Pats were also looking to ship Cassel fast.


At the same time, Cutler acted like an immature brat. Instead of being a competitor, and deciding to win over his new coach, he wanted to take his ball and go home. Both he and McDaniels played their parts in this fiasco.


The argument about padding stats can go both ways. Cutler got to play the AFC West teams, but the Pats also played the AFC West, and the NFC West (which many Pats fans forget when praising Cassel's performances). If someone wants to do a solid comparison, why not take their performances against the top 10 defenses they played and compare them.
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False ProphetAll-Star
238 days ago
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justin's right. Even Brady would have had a worse season than the year before. My point is that Cutler's stats don't look fantastic when you break them down, and they look even worse when you look at some of the teams he played. The broncos got away with highway robbery on this deal, and it'll for sure benefit them in the long run.
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TrizzAll-American
239 days ago
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Cutler has the natural talent to be a star but honestly what NFL caliber QB in this day and age cant throw 70 yard bombs wit protection...and Cutler didnt want to be there then send him on his way simple, why cater to him like he has won anything...my only beef wit Denver is that they could've did better than Kyle Orton...they could've did better but to call them the Raiders thats just low man very low lol
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
239 days ago
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Kyle Orton does not win games on his own. However at the same time, he will rarely, if ever, cost his team a win. His arm is average at best yet he will rarely kill an offensive series with an ill timed interception. Orton does not create waves in the locker room, works hard on the practice field and studies the playbook. He may not be the answer for the Broncos but he does deserve a shot in camp for being the starter.
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HazardousPasteTee-Baller
234 days ago
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Orton had a decent season last year, and that's with the Bears' receiving corps. I can only think he'll get better throwing to Brandon Marshall, Tony Scheffler, and Eddie Royal.
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