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Crybaby Edmonds, a Cub? Not in my book

by Tstelnicki03
created May 15, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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It's never good to write when you're pissed off, but I'm making an exception. Drastic times call for drastic measures, and the situation in which I currently find myself could certainly be described as "drastic," if not "horrifying."

The Cubs are on the verge of signing Jim Edmonds off waivers, and I'm flipping out. How badly? Well, I was halfway through an extensive column concerning the Bulls coaching search, and there's a lengthy homework assignment in dire need of completion breathing down my neck, yet I've slid both to the back burner due to this pressing issue's grave level of importance. Yeah, it's that bothersome.

See, the hatred I feel for Jim Edmonds isn't of the fleeting variety. No, think Yankee fans' opinion of Manny Ramirez, or Red Sock fans' opinion of Alex Rodriguez. While Edmonds is hardly a Ramirez or a Rodriguez -- in terms of importance, impact or paycheck -- he certainly registers on the same scale -- the scale that measures the level of animosity felt towards a rival team's star player. I hardly think I'm the only Cubs fan with this sentiment, either.

In spite of Cub Nation's justifiable and genuinely passionate dislike of Jimmy the cry-baby, Jim Hendry is preparing to scoop the Padres' castoff from waivers as you read. And it makes me sick to my stomach. Maybe you think I'm overreacting. Maybe you think I'm simply voicing an immature and juvenile hatred of what used to be a sweet-swingin' lefty on a perennial contender. Maybe you think I'm needlessly clinging to an old, bygone grudge.

I'd love to disagree.

It's you with the problem; you're the one with the short memory, the one who cannot recall just how fervently Cubs fans hated the way Edmonds carried himself and played the game. Oh, and should you happen to have forgotten so much about Edmonds, it's likely the colors he wore slipped your mind as well -- they were red and white; just an FYI. Then again, that might not even mean anything to you.

What with the Cubs-Brewers rivalry taking priority over Cubs-Cardinals the past few seasons, (which hasn't been a surprise; the Brewers have been the much better team and an unsurprising consequence has been the Chi-Mil rivalry taking center-stage), Cubs fans forgetting exactly how much they should -- nay, need to -- hate the Cardinals seems to be a disturbingly growing trend. It is the pack of Redbirds from St. Lou, and not the Brew Crew from 90 miles northwards, that has earned and, more importantly, deserves, the full and frightening force of Cubs fans' abject hatred. (That's not to say the Brewers aren't rivals. It's just to say the Cardinals matter more -- always have, always will.)

So, as you might've gathered, I'm a bit cheesed about Jimmy the Whiner donning the blue pinstripes. And by "a bit," I mean "furious beyond accurate description." But, as badly as I might've led you to believe in the last few paragraphs, it's not only because a great deal of my childhood was spent rooting passionately against Edmonds and cringing after each one of his exaggerated-dive-after-the-catch-was-made catches made the nightly highlight reel. No, it goes a bit deeper than that. (See, I'm not just a ranting, grudge-holding lunatic after all. How could you ever doubt me?)

With Edmonds joining the roster, it's all too likely Felix Pie will be the odd man out; the man headed back to Iowa. Hey, maybe it's just me, (doubt it), but when a player has been teetering on the brink of legitimacy for some time now, nervously itching for regular at-bats, spending hours on end in the cage, undertaking the pains necessary for improvement, and wordlessly begging for a chance to play daily and prove his worth...doesn't it make sense to, y'know, maybe squeeze that guy into the lineup every once in a while? Maybe? Just a little? Based on Sweet Potato Lou's plan of action with Pie, one would reluctantly guess not.

Odd Man Out
Odd Man Out

What makes me madder than anything when it comes to Pie -- which is a really strong statement, because Pie is one of the many subjects that can redden my face in a hurry -- is that he's simply being wasted. I know he's young, and I know his best years are in front of him, but as for right now, his incredible talent is being squandered. The argument for sending him to Iowa -- though that argument seems to lose supporters with every trip back to Des Moines -- is that he's been given his chance, has proven he cannot hit left handed pitching (and is only slightly better against righties) and must make these improvements in the minors. Bullshit, say I! If he's going to improve, it's going to be under the careful tutelage of a major league hitting coach, it's going to be in the cages of a major league ballpark, it's going to be from watching and studying major league players work their craft around him. If you're scoring at home, AAA Iowa comes in at 0/3.

Pie's been sticking around at the major league level for a while now, though. He's been with the team for a good stretch, and, as I learned from my trip to Wrigley for Sunday afternoon's game, Pie has been working his ass off. During Sunday's rain delay, and before any other players had appeared on the field, Pie jogged out to the right field cages, spent a good 35 minutes out of sight, no doubt taking his hacks, then left only at Mark DeRosa's prodding -- I'm assuming DeRo needed to warm up too. Pie's spent handfuls of games on the bench, occasionally being used as a defensive replacement and pinch-runner, which has drawn good amounts of criticism. While I agree with those arguing for Pie's every day appearances in center, you have to know that the days he spends on the bench are filled with cage-sessions, fielding-sessions, and perhaps even film-sessions. He's not wasting away on the bench, he's learning and absorbing -- even though I'd rather him out in center and recieving regular AB's... you have to compromise somewhere. "Alright, you keep him on the ML team -- you don't have to play him every day -- just as long as he's not sent back to Iowa. Yeah, we can both live with that, can't we?" If only things could be that simple!

Well, as if things with Pie hadn't been botched badly enough... Adding Jim Edmonds to the situation certainly can do nothing but help, right? Justifiable sarcasm aside, another outfielder in the equation was quite possibly the last thing this team needed -- and if you add on Edmonds' age, (38), his thorough lack of hitting ability (.178 with the Padres in 26 games), his disconcertingly slow recovery from a recent calf injury, and, most importantly, the fact that he once terrorized the Cubs while wearing the enemies' colors, well, you've really made quite the awful, John Paxson-esque decision.

(You can't talk about the Cubs outfield without mentioning Reed Johnson, so I'll do that now. In spite of his average dropping from its previously astronomical heights to .256, he's been a great situational hitter, not to mention stellar defensively. The Pie-Johnson platoon was performing like a well-oiled machine, Mr. Hendry! The Cubs simply didn't have a pressing need at the washed-up, weak-hitting, ex-Cardinal position! What are you thinking!?)

Edmonds may allow Sweet Potato Lou to move Fukudome to the 2-spot, seeing as he's another lefty bat in the line-up to break up the righties; great. Edmonds may reconcile his differences with the Bleacher Bums that, at one time, considered him Public Enemy no. 1; perfect. Edmonds may rediscover his sweet lefty stroke, golfing more than a few gorgeous, towering homers onto Sheffield; fantastic. All of it, just dandy -- yet altogether unlikely, and nothing more than wishful thinking and hilariously ungrounded optimism.

The more realistic scenario is that of Edmonds dragging down the lineup, much like Soriano of last week -- the week before he began crushing leadoff homers like nobody's beeswax. Edmonds is booed ferociously in his first at-bat at Wrigley, proceeds to strike out and, in the coming days, fails to dazzle in the field -- which, perhaps, might be the worst part of all, seeing as Hendry has seemingly banked so much on the resurgence of his Gold Glove caliber efforts. Should this scenario carry out, it's fair to say Hendry would have enough common sense to cut Edmonds, direct him towards the door, and warn him that it has been known to hit ex-Cardinals on the way out. Let us pray for said scenario, even if an untimely Edmonds' K should cost the Cubs a rally or two.

All in all, the potential Edmonds signing has infuriated me to an incalculable degree. I care little about the potential for Edmonds' resurgence pending his -- unlikely -- recovery from injury. Sure, call me whiny. Call me immature. Call me a kid holding onto an irrelevant grudge from years past, whatever.

I'll still call him Jimmy the Crybaby, and it'll take a miracle for him to be considered a Cub in my book.


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Niteowl049AAA-er
562 days ago
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Great article Tselnicki!! If Edmonds does well with the Cubs I will be surprised. His numbers have been going down for the last 4 years. He may hit a few more homers than in cavernous Petco Park but doubt he will hit for average. Surely the Cubs have better options than to take a Padres reject.
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OvertheedgeVarsity
562 days ago
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not in your book but then your book would be wrong
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Tstelnicki03Waterboy
561 days ago
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thanks for really delving into this, and for telling me exactly why, in fact, my book "would be wrong." really. thanks for stopping by.
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Cornfed78Draft Pick
562 days ago
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Overthehedge is right, youook would be wrong. As a life-long Cardinals fan my first reaction was outrage. But then the baseball mind in me kicked in reminding me that baseball is indeed a business. Edmonds will go where the money and playing time will take him. Sweet Lou like Dusty Baker before him is still enough old school to believe that Edmonds is the CF answer for the Scrubbies. On a side note I'm actually in St. Louis visiting family and the general consensus ist Edmonds is now a traitor, when in reality it is just plain business the Cardinals traded him to San Diego, he got released get over it. Less we not forget without the Scrubbies, the Cardinals would have never had Lou Brock. Edmonds is not the answer in CF, and if Pinella (read Chicago media/fans) had any patience Pie is.
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Cornfed78Draft Pick
562 days ago
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your book*
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
562 days ago
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Lou Brock...nice. But the Cubbies got Ernie Broglio, right? So all is well! :-)
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Tstelnicki03Waterboy
561 days ago
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are you drunk? are you high? are you even semi-conscious? did you READ the column? how can you say "your book would be wrong," basically disagreeing with me flat-out, and then agree with me in your final sentence, calling edmonds "not the answer in CF" ??? seriously? edmonds is obviously not the answer, and i'd love to know if you're agreeing with me or not. a clarification would be fantastic. oh, and the fact that baseball is a business..means..nothing? edmonds isn't looking to go where the money is right, he's looking to a team that ACTUALLY WANTS HIM -- said teams are in short supply, seeing as he's washed up and batting .178.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
562 days ago
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I grew up listening to the Cardinals back in the 50's and 60's but can see why they let Edmonds go since they have so many good hitting outfielders this season and they had to make a place for one of them by trading Edmonds. Here are his numbers from 2004 through this year and how they have went down:

Hits: 150-123-90-92-16 Home Runs: 42-29-19-12-1 Runs Batted In: 111-89-70-53-6 Batting Average: .301-.263-.257-.252-.178 On Base Percentage: .418-.385-.350-.325-.265 Slugging Percentage: .643-.543-.471-.403-.233

There was no justification for keeping him when they had a plethora of good hitting outfielders waiting in the wings.
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JuTMSY4Legend
562 days ago
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wait...so your reason for not liking edmonds is exagerated dives and that fact that he won a world series on the cards? Why's that make him a crybaby?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
562 days ago
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Honestly, Edmonds wasn't going to win a WS if he plays for the Cubs! And I hate the Mets as much as any Phils fan. But if Beltran or Wright were to come to Philly, I'd be more than happy to welcome them.
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JuTMSY4Legend
562 days ago
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Plusses?

It was a serious question. I don't get the point of the article. and I agree with SJ, mercenary or not, the short term benefits are great.

Reminds me of the time Brian Mitchell became an eagle...the guy was a pain in the ass (as a player on the field, aka good)...and i prefered him on the eagles
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Tstelnicki03Waterboy
561 days ago
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i didn't say that specifically made him a crybaby, although it certainly helped improve cubs fans' opinion of him none. edmonds is notorious for eye-rolling and complaining -- if you disagree, you CERTAINLY must have been watching his STL years through rose -- nay, red and white -- colored lenses. edmonds is a whiner, and a long-time cubs enemy. no one wants him in chicago, and as for now we're left to pray for more outings out of him like today's -- a DP groundout and a K with the bases loaded.
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Tstelnicki03Waterboy
561 days ago
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"learn to write" ? thanks, I happen to think I'm quite alright as far as writing goes -- you, on the other hand, might want to watch your "than" and "then" confusions...it just might help you look like less of an idiot. Then again, even that might not do the trick: see, you've said you "didn't get the article," and so i summed it up for you. that obviously didn't do the trick, as you responded all the more angry, claiming I, "some stupid fan," was "acting like a douche," when in fact, I was doing you a favor. as if that weren't enough, you continued onwards, swearing and acting "abrasive" in defending yourself from an attack I never launched. i simply responded to your idiotic posting. thanks for the advice on the writing though, i'll keep it in mind. i sincerely hope you continue to enjoy your life in the office. oh, and watch your than's and then's. 'preciate it.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
561 days ago
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Sentences should start with the first word capitalized. That's more important than switching than and then now and then. You're not e.e. cummings. When speaking of yourself in the first person, "I" should always be capitlaized as well.


Criticism about grammar and spelling is not for amateurs and certainly not a method of proving one's non-idiocy.


Stick to the topic fellas, the personal attacks are very boring to read.
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JuTMSY4Legend
561 days ago
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Yep, thanks for the writing advice...

soooo so your reason for not liking edmonds is exagerated dives and that fact that he won a world series on the cards?

That was the point of the article...why did you just say; "Yeah JuTMSY4, as a matter of fact you figured it all out and summed it up in one sentence. I don't like Jim Edmonds because he used to play for the Cards."

And when did I say I was in the office?
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KelsdadAll-Star
562 days ago
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If Pie could actually play, then the Cubs wouldn't need Edmonds, would they?
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Tstelnicki03Waterboy
561 days ago
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have you watched pie over the past few weeks...at all? or ever? pie is knocking on the door, he's as close to legitimacy as possible and another trip to Des Moines was the worst possible option. and no, they don't need jimmy the crybaby, even if pie "could play." there's a sparkplug named reed johnson who's filled in just fine in center; oh, and he's not a 38-year-old, over the hill, ex-cardinal.
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KelsdadAll-Star
561 days ago
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Sure have, probably more than you, in person for sure.
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Tstelnicki03Waterboy
561 days ago
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I have a hard time believing that, because if you have watched him as much as you claim, there's no way you'd support the edmonds signing. he's ITCHING for more playing time...and he deserves it! if you give him the sort of steady, uninterrupted at-bats soriano was getting when he came back from his injury, i'd be SHOCKED if he didn't start hitting consistently. shocked. plus, reed johnson wasn't a bad centerfielder!
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KelsdadAll-Star
561 days ago
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Show me anything in any comment in which I supported the Edmonds signing?
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Tstelnicki03Waterboy
561 days ago
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I concluded from your comment "if pie could actually play, they wouldn't need edmonds," that you did, in fact, support the move. i sincerely apologize for assuming. although i would like to know whether or not you do support it, seeing as you seem to know what you're talking about -- something I cannot say for the rest of these boneheads leaving comments.
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KelsdadAll-Star
561 days ago
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Lou Piniella doesn't like young players, at least those who play prominent roles. And I'm not talking ARod young, either. How many OF have the Cubs brought in over the past few years waiting for Pie? The guy's been in their organization since he was 17 years old and has yet to prove he can consistently hit minor league pitching, much less ML pitching. And if it was one or two things he was lacking then the Cubs would be playing him every day, it's one thing to hit .214 and be a gold glove centerfielder, its something entirely different to hit and field .214. (I know, that's a big exaggeration, I was going for a laugh). Hopefully you get what I mean, Pie isn't exactly Jim Edmonds defensively either. The fact the Cubs picked up Reed Johnson is more telling to me about what the Cubs think of Pie than the pickup of Edmonds. Johnson was released by the Blue Jays, and only had playing time there because of the injuries to Wells and Rios. Yet, the Cubs wanted him to play full time?
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Tstelnicki03Waterboy
561 days ago
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I agree, Piniella's shown us he doesn't play young players as liberally as some other managers might. Despite that, someone in the organization has to alert Lou to Pie's potential, because he's obviously missing it. Pie's got the goods, he's shown flashes -- whether it's one or two swings in an AB, an AB that very well may eventually end in a K -- or running down an otherwise uncatchable fly in one of the gaps. also, you're very incorrect in saying Pie's been unable to hit minor league pitching: he hit .362 last season (07) and .283 the year before that, both at AAA. of course, his stats weren't all sparkling: 40 K's to only 19 walks (126 and 46 in '06). so pie CAN hit minor league pitching, he's proven it. he can be an effective hitter -- just not at the ML level...yet. What it will take to get him over the hump -- i'm convinced -- is an uninterrupted stint in center. he's never been given more than a few starts in a row, you have to imagine it's damn near impossible to get a rhythym going that way. play him every day, and his potential will finally reach fruition. if not, well then, i'll shut up once and for all and accept the edmonds situation -- maybe. although, seeing as Pie is probably in Des Moines right now, i'm left to wonder at the possibilities instead.
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KelsdadAll-Star
561 days ago
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Look, sir, you are obviously a passionate Cubs fan and Pie supporter, but the bottom line is here is the kid has proven he can't play full time at the ML level. He has well over 2000 atbats at the Minor League level, any scouting or personnel director will tell you the determining factor on whether a guy can play in the majors is about 800. So he's had 1200 MORE AB's as a test sample and still couldn't cut it. He is a slap hitting punch and judy singles hitter who has trouble getting on base, and has trouble catching the ball in the OF. If he did one well, he'd have a job. Doesn't even matter which one, just make yourself useful. But when your a liability both offensively and defensively, and have proven it over a much larger sample than is considered the telling time, then unfortunately you're future isn't very good.
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KelsdadAll-Star
562 days ago
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I'm pissed about Edmonds too. I'm pissed he didn't go to New York so the Yanks can ship out their piece of crap centerfielder. I guess they're saving their money for someone older, and farther past his prime.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
562 days ago
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If Edmonds is such a crybaby, shouldn't he be a Cubs FAN instead of player?
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BigpeelerJV Squad
561 days ago
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I nominate this for "Post of the Month"!
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Tstelnicki03Waterboy
561 days ago
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JuTMSY, because it appears as though the creative intricacies of a sports column have soared far over your head, ill sum everythng up with this: i don't ever want to see someone i've hated for so long donning my beloved teams' colors, and the fact that he is miles over the hill and taking the place of a younger player who deserves regular AB's only adds to my anger. what's not to get? the fact that you loved him while he wore the Cards' red and whites really shouldn't impact your opinion here. can't you see where i'm coming from? he's a long-time, hated rival player, and to see him trotting out to centerfield in the place of felix pie is to have the wind knocked out of me. i'm disgusted, and his strikeout with the bases loaded & double play groundout at the plate today have done nothing to change my mind.
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JuTMSY4Legend
561 days ago
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no apparently the intricacies of fucking creative writing and subtleties have passed you by...

I sat here and read your dribble hoping to get a reason, but I didn't see you mention one reason to hate edmonds this side of him being a cardinal and his "flamboyant" playing style (which i agree, he does make exaggerated catches)

You didn't give me anything and than i had to sit there in my office chair and think: "What the hell is this guy blabbering on about?"

The only thing i learned is that the cubs signed edmonds and some stupid fan didn't like it...

Before you even dare call some one out, learn how to write and take criticism...I wasn't abrasive in any way, i just asked a question and you act like a douche...
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
561 days ago
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Did not disappoint...
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Tmil42AAA-er
561 days ago
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I have one question. Does your office chair have a high back?
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
561 days ago
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if he doesnt do well as a cub it wont be hard to ship him out if he does well and you still have a problem then your not a Cubs fan you are a Felix Pie fan that is bitter. Plain and simple
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Tstelnicki03Waterboy
561 days ago
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you're right, i am a felix pie fan -- but being a pie fan and a cubs fan are one in the same, and not mutually exclusive of each other. i want pie to be given a chance because i'm relatively certain there's an excellent player hidden somewhere in that mid .200's batting average, and that he'll help the team greatly if given adequate, consistent ABs.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
561 days ago
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I think you need some medication. Any doctors on this site?
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JuTMSY4Legend
561 days ago
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Medication? Perhaps just someone to talk to...
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
519 days ago
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FUCK YOU ALL - Tstelnicki03 is awesome
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JuTMSY4Legend
519 days ago
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awesomely wrong
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JuTMSY4Legend
509 days ago
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Soooooo...what's the deal with Edmonds now?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
509 days ago
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It's either "drastic" or "horrifying"...
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