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Can Las Vegas Ever Support A Major Sports Franchise?

by Cornfed78
created February 29, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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Las Vegas successfully hosted the 2007 NBA All Star Game, but it is one of the largest metropolitan areas in the United States without a major league franchise. Sure Vegas has some minor league teams, the Las Vegas 51s, a Los Angeles Dodgers farm club in the AAA Pacific Coast League, the Las Vegas Stars of the International Basketball League and the Las Vegas Wranglers of the ECHL hockey league. None of the major professional sports leagues have ever had a team in Las Vegas, with the notable exception of the Utah Jazz' half-season schedule at the Thomas & Mack Center in 1983-84. The possibility of relocating a professional major-league team to Las Vegas is an ongoing discussion that city leaders that pops up in the news every couple of years. Las Vegas has been home to 3 professional teams the XFL’s Las Vegas Outlaws lasting all of one season, the CFL’s Las Vegas Posse also lasting one season, and the Arena Football’s Las Vegas Gladiators who have moved to Cleveland lasting for four seasons.

The issue of sports betting is seen as being the major problem with any potential pro sports team being located in Las Vegas by the NBA, the NFL, the MLB and the NHL. All having strong anti-gambling policies, for all personnel; player or otherwise. Current Mayor Oscar Goodman is working on a proposal to the NBA about a possible arena and changes in the city's sports gambling regulations.

Gambling is only part of Vegas’ problem, population, TV market, and facilities are some of the other problems.

How can population be a problem you ask for a city that has just under 600,000 residents and almost 40 million visitors a year? Easy...entertainment is the main employer in Vegas and most of that entertainment is at night so the “locals” will be too busy working when the sporting events are going on, which makes it kind of hard for selling seats let alone having sellouts. And the visitors you ask? Well with all the different entertainment venues in Vegas it would be a fight for the all mighty dollar.

According to Nielsen Media Research, Las Vegas is the 43rd ranked TV market. Only four cities with pro sports teams are in markets smaller than Las Vegas. (Jacksonville, New Orleans, Buffalo, and Green Bay)

The facilities are limited you have the 9,500 seat Orleans Arena, the soon to be 25 year old Thomas & Mack Center, and the 37 year old, 45,000 seat Sam Boyd Stadium both of which would have to be shared with UNLV.

So my final conclusion is while it seems that the powers that be in Vegas are trying really hard to procure a major sports franchise; I do not see it happening anytime soon.


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SSreportersLegend
639 days ago
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No, no and no. I lived in Vegas for years (hated it), and there is no way, they can even support their college team at the moment. Vegas is a place to gamble on sports, not host it.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
639 days ago
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You only hated living in Vegas because you were a kid in an adult city. Wait til you get to my age Mook =)
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Steel TownDraft Pick
639 days ago
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I think financially they could support a team easily, but who in their right mind would put a franchise in Vegas. It's too much temptation and greed that is left completely unchecked and even to some extent promoted by the city.
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JuTMSY4Legend
639 days ago
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Financially like Atlanta... I'm not an expert, by Vegas doesn't seem like a thriving sports area for hometown teams...
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TheSportsAppleAll-American
639 days ago
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Vegas successfully hosted the 2007 NBA ALl-Star game? I guess you don't count the gunplay, strippers, nightclub brawls, rude patrons, and negative press.
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Cornfed78Draft Pick
639 days ago
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How is that different from any other night in any other NBA city or Vegas for that matter?
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SSreportersLegend
639 days ago
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Yo TSA, the NBA All Star Game is just one event..... Vegas is tremendous for boxing and nothing more.
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SSreportersLegend
639 days ago
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And MMA.
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Cornfed78Draft Pick
639 days ago
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Yeah SSR, I'm looking forward to the Hopkins-Calzaghe on April 19th.
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JuTMSY4Legend
639 days ago
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and march madness!
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SSreportersLegend
639 days ago
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I'm not, I'm looking forward to Pacquiao/Marquez.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
639 days ago
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Think of the cheerleader opportunities :)
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JuTMSY4Legend
639 days ago
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Sleep with a cheerleader day...hmmm
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SSreportersLegend
639 days ago
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I get them all for free.
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CheezerAll-Star
639 days ago
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Bad idea. I did not read a single good thing about the All-Star game in Vegas. Factor in the impact of the bookies and legalized gambling and you have a recipe for disaster.
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JuTMSY4Legend
639 days ago
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how is it a recipe for disaster...

so gambling is legal...but as we saw with hockey, it doesn't matter where you are...

if the main issue is gambling, i think its a dumb reason...
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SSreportersLegend
639 days ago
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Tim Donaghy nods his head.
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JuTMSY4Legend
639 days ago
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whoops, good point SSR... but I don't think Donaghy spent much time in vegas( could be wrong)
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Cougar2000All-American
639 days ago
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In spite of its image, I think that Vegas can be a viable sports town. BTW, did you know that while prostitution is legal in Nevada, it's not in Vegas?
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Cornfed78Draft Pick
639 days ago
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I actually did know that.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
639 days ago
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Vegas is as close to all of us as a push of the computer button on the Internet. Avoiding Las Vegas for a pro sports franchise expansion is about as nonsensical as busting people for smoking pot.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
639 days ago
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Comment of the day on all facets
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Steel TownDraft Pick
639 days ago
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It's not just gambling. It's the whole mystique of Vegas. People go to Vegas not just to gamble, but to indulge themselves. Not like we can't indulge ourselves anywhere, but it really is "what you are supposed to do" in Vegas.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
639 days ago
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Hockey will get there first.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
639 days ago
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Maybe basketball, but your probably right. I would thing B-ball would have had the best shot, but after the supposed all star debackle, I don't think Stern wants to open that can of worms.
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JuTMSY4Legend
639 days ago
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Las Vegas Penguins?
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Cornfed78Draft Pick
639 days ago
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The Penguins did look at Las Vegas.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
639 days ago
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The idea of a basketball team there took a hit when the Sacramento Kings got a new building deal preventing them from becoming the Las Vegas Aces. If basketball goes there, it will be as an expansion team. If they get themselves a premium Asian player or two it will help their attendance - let's face it - Asian people LOVE Loss Vegas!!!
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LASportsblogAAA-er
639 days ago
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Asians LOVE Disney too, but we don't have... oh wait, the Angels.... point conceeded.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
638 days ago
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The Pens were just posturing in their negotiations with the city to get an arena deal done.
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Falcon02520Legend
637 days ago
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Basketball also took a hit when Timmy D bet on those games...

1. Referees gambles on games 2. Vegas is the gambling center of America

3. The NBA facks itself
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InterMatAll-American
637 days ago
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Vegas is also the host of the U.S. Senior Nationals in Freestyle & Greco-Roman wrestling. They hosted the 2007 U.S. World Team Trials and this year, will host the Olympic Trials in Judo and Wrestling.

They also host one of the biggest in-season college wrestling tournaments, the Cliff Keen Las Vegas Invitational.

The wrestling community loves going to Vegas for its events.
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CheezerAll-Star
637 days ago
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My earlier comments were based on the lifestyle that many young athletes like to live. Having bored millionaires living in Vegas is a bad idea. I envision a situation where many players stay out late on the strip gambling and whoring (wouldn't you?). Eventually, they become beholden to the casinos and bookies and then the corruption starts.

A lot of these guys get in enough trouble in cities like Atlanta and Miami. Imagine the behavior around the temptation that is Vegas.

The NBA All-star weekend was just a taste.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
637 days ago
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A flight to Vegas is not exactly a big deal for a bored millionaire athlete... I can go to Vegas when I want (50 minute flight, 3 1/2 hour drive) and have been there plenty of times without getting into trouble. Lifestyle is a person's perrogative, not a vicinity's.

Bad people do bad things whether there's more vices available or not. Living in Vegas doesn't enable you to become a scumbag - just a more efficient scumbag if you're a scumbag already. And for millionaire athletes, temptation is omnipresent. An athlete will draw attention in Alaska.

I don't recall any NBA players getting into trouble for All-Star weekend... or when Team USA was there, or when Summer leagues were played there...
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CityhockeyfeverVarsity Captain
636 days ago
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Chances are, the NHL will be the first major professional sports league to place a team in Las Vegas. I'm not saying it is without a doubt, but primarily a prediction. The NHL has Las Vegas on their radar for a potential expansion team in the future.

What makes this interesting is that Las Vegas has not one, but TWO competing new arena plans in the works. I don't know if one of them will be scrapped, but the idea of two in the same city is ridiculous. I believe if the prospects of a pro team (NHL and/or NBA) coming to Las Vegas wasn't real possibility, I'd be shocked the developers and the city would be building these new venues.

Las Vegas has been hosting nearly every preseason an NHL exhibition game, that being there is some kind of hockey following there at the NHL level. Back in 1996, I remember Wayne Gretzky playing his first ever game of any kind in a New York Rangers uniform in a preseason game against the Anaheim Ducks at the Thomas & Mack Center. Plenty of fans showed up for that one.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
636 days ago
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That town could have 5 arenas and find use for all of them. Most indoor arenas make their fair share of money on things other than pro sports teams - concerts, conventions, circuses, monster truck shows, X-games, you name it!
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
606 days ago
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I dont know how old this article is....but this writer is obviously an undereducated goof. There are roughly a dozen tv markets currently that are smaller than Las Vegas with major legue sports. The Las Vegas market just recently surpassed 2 million residents. The issue to deal with is sports betting. other than that, there are no others. The way buildings and money still flow in Vegas, an arena could be built faster than a letter of intent could be signed. Writher...do your research before writing.
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