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Can History be Made at Azteca?

by Pittsburgh Gunny
created August 11, 2009, last edited October 26, 2009
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Jozy Altidore Leads the USA into Azteca
Jozy Altidore Leads the USA into Azteca
August 12, 2009 could become a very historic date in the annals of US Soccer.  On this day Los Gringos travel to Estadio Azteca in Mexico City to face El Tri in a CONCACAF World Cup Qualifier. 

Home Field Advantage

Perhaps no stadium in CONCACAF provides one team with such a huge home field advantage as the Azteca does for Mexico.  Many factors play into this advantage.  First off there are the fans.  The stadium holds about 105,000 people.  Most of them supporting, rather vociferously, their National Squad.  The atmosphere created can be very intimidating by all accounts.  And oh yes, the occasional urine filled bag can be tossed from the crowd towards the visiting players.  Secondly, it is the altitude.  The Azteca is about 7,400 feet above sea level thus making the air rather thin.  Speaking of that air it raises the third factor which is the ever present smog.  Listening to Eric Wynalda last evening on Fox Football Fone-In he made reference to that and even mentioned something to the fact that the smog and elevation can actually make one start to bleed out of one’s nose and eyes.  Clearly these factors favor the Mexicans.  US Coach Bob Bradley has stated that it would usually take about ten days to acclimatize to those conditions.  So the coach has opted to fly the squad in only 24 hours prior to the match and let the boys combat the conditions relying on their fitness and strength.  An interesting strategy by Coach Bradley we’ll see if that becomes a factor. 

History is with El Tri

Looking at the history between the two CONCACAF rivals the advantage clearly falls on the Mexican side when playing at Azteca.  The United States have amassed a rather dour record of 22 losses and 1 draw.  This US squad though seems to be keenly aware of that history and their chance to actually make history should they come away with 3 points.  US goalkeeper Tim Howard was quoted by the Associated Press when asked about the history and a possible US victory by saying, “That would be special. No question. We know the history. We're well aware of it, which makes the challenge that much more special. ... If the result went our way, that would be a great thing." 

The last time the US faced Mexico was of course in the recently completed Gold Cup Final played at Giants Stadium.  The Mexicans walked away with a 5-0 win.  However the US fielded a somewhat lesser squad as the American A-Team had just competed in the Confederations Cup in South Africa.  The Gold Cup result will have little effect on the Americans but it just may bolster the Mexicans. 

The last time the two teams fielded their best teams together was in Columbus, Ohio in February.  That was the opening match for the Hexagonal and the US ran out winners ¡DOS a CERO!  I must say that the Mexicans looked negative and completely uncreative in that match so hopefully that form returns when they enter the Azteca. 

So can I watch?

The match is scheduled to start at 3PM Central Standard Time.  The television viewing in the United States will be broadcast on Telemundo and Mun2.  Good luck trying to find those stations so I would suggest you may have to venture to a local football friendly establishment in order to actually see the game.  I asked a friend of mine why this decision was made in regards to the TV rights.  He indicated that the TV right belonged to the Mexican Federation so the decision was made and can be viewed in one of two ways.  They are either:

  • a) trying to highlight the nifty new neato keen mun2 english channel of Telemundo or
  • b) sticking it to the American television media and the US Soccer fans.

You be the judge, I know what I think. 

So anyways here is the roster that Coach Bradley has selected to face Mexico, good luck boys! 

United States Squad to Face Mexico
Player Position Club
Tim Howard GK Flag of England Everton
Brad Guzan GK Flag of England Aston Villa
Carlos Bocanegra DF Flag of France Stade Rennais F.C.
Jonathan Bornstein DF Flag of the United States Chivas USA
Steve Cherundolo DF Flag of Germany Hannover
Jay DeMerit DF Flag of England Watford
Chad Marshall DF Flag of the United States Columbus Crew
Oguchi Onyewu DF Flag of Italy AC Milan
Jonathan Spector DF Flag of England West Ham United
Michael Bradley MF Flag of Germany Borussia Monchengladbach
Ricardo Clark MF Flag of the United States Houston Dynamo
Clint Dempsey MF Flag of England Fulham
Benny Feilhaber MF Flag of Denmark AGF Aarhus
Stuart Holden MF Flag of the United States Houston Dynamo
Jose Francisco Torres MF Flag of Mexico Pachuca
Jozy Altidore F Flag of England Hull City
Conor Casey F Flag of the United States Colorado Rapids
Brian Ching F Flag of the United States Houston Dynamo
Charlie Davies F Flag of France Sochaux
Landon Donovan F Flag of the United States Los Angeles Galaxy
 

Here’s hoping the Yanks can pull it out and bring home all three points.


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CheezerAll-Star
104 days ago
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I was in Mexico City about 20 years ago and the statement was that the air was like smoking 3 packs of cigarettes a day. It felt like it too. I can only imagine it is worse now.

Factoid. It is said that in many cities of China and Mexico, India, etc. The air coming out of the car exhaust is cleaner than the air going into the engine intake.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
104 days ago
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Very international group of clubs for the US players to represent.


Going on the road to a fortress like Azteca, it's hard to play for 3 points. I think you play for a draw. Mexico's only two wins in qualifying have come in Azteca. You go down there and draw 0-0, or 1-1, it's a form of victory for the US, and considering Mexico is currently in 4th, it will be a form of defeat for them as well.
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Pittsburgh GunnyMajor Leaguer
104 days ago
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Exactly Rawb, I would be thrilled with a draw.
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SSreportersLegend
104 days ago
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If the US' run of form is as good as it is now (Gold Cup aside), play for the win.


Bradley's problem is he's a reactive coach when it comes to critical situations in the match. He always waits until AFTER the other team scores to make substitutions. And those substitutions are always the same people he likes to choose.


I also hate how this coaching staff refuses to teach the defenders to close down the wings. A or B team they always give the opposition plenty of space to operate to get crosses in with plenty of time to go along with it.


I'm glad the useless Kljestan has been put out to pasture....Beasley is also done for.


I think Mexico will win 2-1 but I wouldn't be surprised with a draw.
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SSreportersLegend
103 days ago
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^^ Thank you, thank you....
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
103 days ago
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I kind of realized my whole "play for a draw" strategy was crap about 15 minutes before the game. I theorized that one of the reasons visiting teams fail at Azteca is because they play for a draw. You get just as fatigued (perhaps more so) playing tight and defensive, as you do being more open.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
104 days ago
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Nothing against Denmark, but why is the Danish flag the picture next to this article on the front page?
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Pittsburgh GunnyMajor Leaguer
104 days ago
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Search me, I dunno.
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PmoehrinVarsity
104 days ago
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What alot of people are missing is that this game really means much more to the Mexican team then the US team.

The United States is in all likelihood going to the World Cup next year. Even if the US loses this game, they will still be in second place, and have a very favorable schedule from here on out. They only have two road games left against last place Trinidad and Tobago, and third place Honduras. The other two games are against Costa Rica, and El Salvador both at home.

Mexico's schedule is virtually identical, but instead of having to travel to play third place Honduras, they will have to play first place Costa Rica. That slight change could cost Mexico, as while they are undefeated at home, they have also yet to win a road game thus far in the final round of World Cup Qualifying.

Bottom line while it would be big for the US to win this one, they don't need it. Mexico might, because if they lose this, and Honduras beats Costa Rica (that game is in Honduras) it's going to be very hard for Mexico to qualify for the World Cup.
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Pittsburgh GunnyMajor Leaguer
104 days ago
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All valid points Pmoehrin. Although the thought of a World Cup without M*x*c* kinda makes me smirk and then smile.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
104 days ago
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Lots of Hype for this game sadly it's going be the same kinda of result 3-1 to El TRI. It's simple really THEY need it more Mexico will playing with a fire under their a$$es, as it would be a national embrassment if they lost to the USA at home. I hope the we play defensive and try to grind out a nil-nil draw. best case scenrio Donovan scores on the counter. Howard continues to play out of his mind.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
103 days ago
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And Mexico never lets itself be embarrassed as a nation.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
103 days ago
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2-1 isn't the end of the world, even though losing to Mexico always sucks. Howard looked great, as usual. And I thought the back 4 played admirably, breaking up a lot of Mexican attacks.


But the confusion remained. It's the coaching, it's the veteran "leadership." Running up the side of the field, nobody near you, Landon Donovan CANNOT kick the ball too far in front of him and giveaway possession so easily.


The US play so well when they have nothing to lose. But when they have a glimpse of something amazing, like beating Brazil, or beating Mexico in Azteca, suddenly they start playing with something to lose. Then they F it up.
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SSreportersLegend
103 days ago
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Bocanegra should be dropped from the team....


The back 4 did well and Onyewu is class, but the distribution was awful. DeMerit on 3 occasions just sent a half-hearted clearance 15 yards to a Mexican player to repeat the process.


Who the hell sits back and defense after leading 1-0 in the 9th minute? Bradley does...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
103 days ago
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That was irritating. Up 1-0 to me was license to kill time. While you still have all your energy, go after them. They'll be more desperate, and you can crush them on a counter-attack.


It seems like Bradley prepares for a game with only a minimal number of possibilities in mind. He had no idea what to do up 1-0 so early, so he played as if he were up 1-0 50 minutes later, which was all he had prepped for.
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SSreportersLegend
103 days ago
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Thanks to El Salvador crapping the bed it looks like 4th spot at a minimum is guaranteed.


However not winning does sting knowing that you're now only 1 point above the playoff zone....


Bradley doesn't think broadly....ever. That's why most of his substitutional patterns are the same.


El Salvador doesn't seem like a threat this next game at home. But the road game at Honduras worries me a little.
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Pittsburgh GunnyMajor Leaguer
103 days ago
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I didn't get to see it but the post game report I heard on the radio Giorgio Chinaglia basically said "Who the hell goes ahead on 9 minutes and then turtles? Someone made a big mistake there." As SSR pointed out, who does that? Bradley does that, ho hum....
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Pittsburgh GunnyMajor Leaguer
103 days ago
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Plus Coach Bradley is only a sympton of the rot at the top of the US Soccer Federation.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
103 days ago
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So true Gunny heard that too. They scored after 9 minutes way too long to go into a shell should have pushed for a second, hopefully it's lesson learned and the US takes care of business the way it looks now might have to win 3 of the last 4 to make sure they qualify. Honduras isn't a bad team now that thre in the mix worries me a little we don't want 4th place.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
95 days ago
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I couldn´t help to write about Cheezer´s ignorant and stereotyped comment. I´m a 37 year old Mexican male who has worker LEGALLY in the US for 4 years and studied there another couple. Most Americans are ignorant about what is going on the world, and I said most because after spending six years of my life there amongst professional an supposedly educated Americans, I couldn´t find a SINGLE one with a intelligent, unbiased and rational opinion about Mexico, the war on terror and the rest of the world in general. You people are truly and undeniably living in another dimension. And don’t get me wrong I really like the USA and I have made good friends there, but for me, I was delighted to go back home to beautiful Mexico. A shower of reality for all ya: I would rather be in Tepito or Neza (two of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Mexico City) sightseeing with my beautiful wife, than in downtown Detroit, some areas in Washington DC or Chicago. That my friends, is a fact you have to face, your country is not the wonderland your government and media has forced you to believe.

But let´s dig into Cheez statement.

"I was in Mexico City about 20 years ago and the statement was that the air was like smoking 3 packs of cigarettes a day. It felt like it too. I can only imagine it is worse now." Mr. Cheez, the air in Mexico City has steadily improved its quality, check it out: http://www.u...r_mexico.pdf

I´m a big FUTBOL fan and was drafted by a professional team back in the 80´s after high school, but I knew I was not good enough so my life took a different path. Most of your comments about A, B or C squads, pollution, altitude, etc. are PATHETIC. Don´t you think the altitude of Mexico City also affects Mexican players who are not used to it? One thing is true, US SOCCER has grow and it is here now (which I think is good) but you are far, but I mean FAR away from even scratching Mexico´s FUTBOL accomplishments, and I would not mention them just to save some bytes.

Cheers!
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
95 days ago
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By the way, on august 12th, the Mexico City air was PRISTINE. So, keep whining. Sore loosers!
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