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Blacks in Sports Part I: How Far We've All Come

by SSreporters
created February 22, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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The following will be a potentially controversial article about blacks in sports in the US, and some of the great moments involving that. If you are sensitive to this topic, do not continue reading. This is a very serious subject matter to me If you edit this article and put anything stupid in there, I will report to the admins.

Now, this is a three part article, the second part will come next week. I will look at two major moments in sports involving race every article, and tell you some facts you may not remember.

Prelude: Why You Should Celebrate Black History All Year

As you know, February is Black History Month. We look at the past, present, and future of black people in America, and hope that what happened in the past, will be totally gone in the near future. But one thing that ticks me off is that, not only is Black History essentially ignored after February, but Black History Month is placed on the shortest month of the year. That should never happen. Honestly, if you read about what blacks had to go through in the 1700s-1900s, you should not only be recognizing the fact that blacks have gone from slaves to doctors in prestigious hospitals, you should recognize it all year.

The Europeans and Americans took black people from Africa, and made them slaves, tortured them, killed them. These horrible acts went on for hundreds of years. But it never stopped there, you have the Ku Klux Klan, the "Colored" section in all of the southern United States in the 1960s. Even today, racism is still a problem, some people don't want a black President of the United States. Sports organizations, and schools still are uncomfortable hiring a black head coach, or drafting a black quarterback. Racism against blacks has definitely died down and the US has made dramatic improvements, but it is nowhere near where it should be, gone and not a factor in anything.

It's remarkable that despite all of what black people have had to endure over centuries, we still have millions alive. Blacks could be gone from this Earth when you think of it. What they dealt with that modern day folks can't fathom, and everything else, they're still here.

Blacks in Sports: Jackie Robinson

There was a time in which all basketball, football and baseball players were white. Some schools banned blacks from playing any form of sport. In baseball, Babe Ruth was called by his clubhouse teammates as "Nigger Lips". Ruth himself, and some racist remarks in him. Blacks in baseball was severely frowned upon. But on April 15th, 1947, that would be changed forever. Jack Roosevelt Robinson became the first black player in the major leagues. He became one of the greatest to play the game, and made it to the hall of fame only 6 years after he retired. But again, not everyone was accepting to that fact. The players of the Philadelphia Phillies called Robinson a nigger, the St. Louis Cardinals were threatening to strike if Robinson played. But NL commissioner Ford Frick, a white man, was on Robinson's side. If they wanted to act like that, the entire team would be suspended.

What Robinson did not only changed baseball, but it made a national impact that a black man had the courage, had the guts to fight off the racism, and play in a sport dominated by white men. Now in the modern day, you have blacks playing on every team, you have foreigners making up a decent chunk of the population of players.



Blacks in Sports: Texas Western


It was considered the Brown vs. Board of college basketball, the year was 1966. The NCAA College Basketball Championship was played between a Texas Western squad using an all black starting 5, versus Adolph Rupp's powerhouse Kentucky team, all-white. Texas Western stunned Kentucky to win the National Championship. A lost quote of this event was when Adolph Rupp yelled at this team at halftime saying "Are you guys going to lose to a bunch of coons?". Well Mr. Rupp, they did, and in today's college basketball world, you have star black players, all black teams, blacks playing with whites.

You want to know something else? Coach Don Haskins of that Texas Western team (now UTEP), is a white coach. To see a white person in the supposed "Redneck Country", start 5 basketball players, what he considered his best, all happened to be black, made him one of the pioneers of sports today.

What the Texas Western Miners did, not only pulled off an upset of a storied basketball school, but they have changed college basketball forever. Yes, there were black stars before, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, but none could ever foresee a time when 5 black basketball players would all be starting on the same team.




This has been Part I of a III part series on Blacks in Sports. As mentioned earlier, part II will come February 29th.

I want my series to make you think about how much blacks have suffered throughout the centuries. Slavery, hangings, beatings, torture, rapings. Think about what could've happened if Abraham Lincoln did not abolish slavery. Imagine what would happen to your parents, your siblings, your relatives.

Imagine that 300 years ago from today, blacks were sent on a ship to various parts of Europe and America to work for the white men. Now it's 300 years later, and you have some of the best doctors, lawyers, athletes, teachers, and politicians in this world we live in. Too think that blacks are still here is phenomenal, and now we could have one as President of the United States. Racism may be here forever, but these people certainly helped change how we feel about blacks today.


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Cornfed78Draft Pick
646 days ago
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Texas Western was not an all black team, it was just the first time there was an all black starting 5.
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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Yeah, I meant to say that, I deleted something by mistake, I'm editing right now.:)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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How about changing the title to.... African Americans in Sports Part I: How Far We Have ALL Come
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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I refuse to speak in the form of a hyphen for African-American. Do we call white people Caucasian-American?
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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I mean all the time.
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Cornfed78Draft Pick
646 days ago
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I would technically be a "German-American".
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JuTMSY4Legend
646 days ago
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would you?
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
646 days ago
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I'm a Seattle-American...last I checked I didn't come from another country...or continent
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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No! I'd call white people white people Americans and black people Americans and green people Americans, etc.
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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AOEH, you're Canadian then.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
646 days ago
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No African-American, it's insulting.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
646 days ago
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Seriously African-American? I hate that term and refuse to go by it when refering to myself.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
646 days ago
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GREAT article SS.
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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Thanks, I've been writing a lot of humor articles. But I had a massive article in me for once.
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JuTMSY4Legend
646 days ago
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Actually, SSR brings all an interesting point...but so does TB...

Yes, its how far we all have come

and the African-American thing...

You can't really be both...you can be Jewish-American or Muslim-American (or Christian-American)...

What do you call a black guy in the UK...African-British?
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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You call him Jerry?
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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And I changed the title BTW.
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Cornfed78Draft Pick
646 days ago
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Lennox?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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One doesn't call a Native-American a RED man. I prefer the term African-American thank-you very much. Or just American. Whichever is fine with me.
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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I call Native-Americans "Indians" or "The People Who Originally Inhabited This Land And Did Not Pollute, Destroy, or Tear Down Any Land Like Modern Man Does"
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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It is ignorant to falsely labeling a Native-Americans as "Indians". That term was used incorrectly by Europeans.
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JuTMSY4Legend
646 days ago
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American is the most appealing term... as christof would say..."we're all mutts anyways"
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Agreed, JuT. But a culture that never called itself "Indians" should not be subjected to that term. If anything, they are the only ones entitled to truly be called "Americans".
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JuTMSY4Legend
646 days ago
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Perhaps...but everyone person in the US is indeed an immigrant... Its hard to deny previous misgivings, but you can't really go back and fix it either...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Well, we can first start off by not calling Native Americans "Indians".
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
646 days ago
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Why so much focus on phrasing and title selection? My skin isn't white, and I don't come from the Caucuses of Russia, but you can still call me white or Caucasian, and I won't get pissed off. Then again, I've never really been discriminated against. What would a black Canadian be called?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Different strokes for different folks.
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JuTMSY4Legend
646 days ago
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blacadian?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Unlike some members here, tracing back my ancestors is very difficult. I feel very strong about the appropriate use of "African-American" and believe that others should respect my wishes of term preference.

For further understanding, please read:

http://en.wi..._American.22
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LASportsblogAAA-er
646 days ago
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I prefer Black American, Tyrone. Because like you, I CAN'T trace all my hertiage back to the Motherland. Moreover, my parents, grandparents and great-grandparents were all born Americans. Therefore I'm a 4th generation Black American... and damn proud.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Hey LA, that is no problem with me at all. I just see it a little bit differently, that's all. I'll always honor my African heritage with its inclusion in my identity.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
646 days ago
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I have to say since im sitting in Vancouver Canada right now, if you call yourself an American and youre from the USA, there are plenty of people north of the boarder who will call you out and let you know that youre wrong.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
646 days ago
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I'm not following this last statement here BigPupp
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
646 days ago
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Canucks dont like it when United States citizens call themselves Americans because they are Americans as well, and they consider themselves different than US Citizens.
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JuTMSY4Legend
646 days ago
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Canada Like the loft apartment over a really good party
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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No offense but who really gives a crap? How does it exclude Canadians from calling themselves "Americans" just because US citizens do? When has the United States ever made it forbidden for any Canadian to say they are "American"? Dumb.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
646 days ago
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Greatest Canada comment EVER!
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JuTMSY4Legend
646 days ago
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What's really funny SSR and AoEH, is the video AoEH put up yesterday...

You see, during the major slave era of the US (roughly from post declaration to the 1840s) the bulk of those people never owned slaves...

In fact, Tennesseeans and Kentuckians and other such "Hillbillies" were ambivilent to the Confederacy because they did not agree with destroying the union but were sadly envious of southerners who did own salves...but they could never afford such "luxuries"

They in fact supported a system that held them down, made them second class and then resented the freed slaves because they took the hillbillies jobs...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
646 days ago
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"They took our jobs!"
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Only if you are indeed a "hillbilly", Raw!
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
646 days ago
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Well I do like NASCAR, and I come from SOUTHern Massachusetts... But my comment was in fact a South Park quote.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Yes, I know. It was taken from the "Gooback" episode. Classic.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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"Even today, racism is still a problem, people don't want a black President of the United States."

That is simply not true.

SOME people may not "want" an African-American as President. Certainly in my neighborhood, the idea is welcomed.
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JuTMSY4Legend
646 days ago
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There's a black man running for president? Please, I'm too busy listening to the issues to notice...
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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Yes, some people don't want it to happen..... And JuT, did you know Pearl Harbor was bombed today?
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JuTMSY4Legend
646 days ago
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Actually, I was initially surprised that it wasn't an issue...but then again, he's running against a woman...

But i think its not because of the democratic constituency...if someone like colin powell were running, I think you'd hear more about it because he'd be viewed as liberal (because he's black...perhaps for no other reason)...

This will become an issue by november...but should Obama be elected, I think it will have a global impact on racism...at the very least, i find the whole process this year fascinating...
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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Fixed it....sorry if I was too vague.
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JuTMSY4Legend
646 days ago
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December 7, 1945!
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
646 days ago
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"Blacks In Sports" just sounds a little harsh. "Whites In Sports", "Yellows In sports", "Reds In sports". It just sounds weird to me.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Sounds a little weird to me as well (I already stated my preference) but if you read the article in its entirety, there is indeed a sincere effort to account for integration efforts in sports.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
646 days ago
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Do you guys get paid to scour AGM for anything that can be construed as racist? Can't you read the article and comment on its content instead of focusing so much on the title?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Not sure who that was directed to Raw, but I've already voted for the article, complimented it, sent SSR a gift acknowledging his efforts and made a few suggestions. So what is the problem?
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
646 days ago
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That article is TERRIFIC!!! Best thing I've read in a long, long, long time. However, since the article is about "race" it isn't that strange of a comment I've made. I'm failing to see the problem here as well. And I'm not black. Unless I am Jamel, which in case I am.
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FrugolfVarsity Captain
646 days ago
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I don't care what race or religion our president is.I do however care if he won't salute the flag my father died for.
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Taytay 24All-American
646 days ago
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This is simply not true and is nothing more than right wing propaganda. This happened one time, but to say that he "won't" do is nothing more than a lie. For evidence, see this.
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DRE-LOAAA-er
646 days ago
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This is nothing more than political propaganda, the partisan politics that isn't getting anything done in the Congress or White House, the kind of politics that needs to die a slow death. Hillary's xerox statement was a supreme example of that.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
646 days ago
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SSR, I think you puty together a well written aritle and articulated your self masterfully. Not many guys your age could incorperate the language and history as well as you did. That said, in my opinion this piece is a little high schoolish near the beginning.

The fact that Black History Month is on the shortest month of the year is not only well documented by the public as well as comedians, but is really over anaylized. Honestly, we should be glad as a people that we get a month in which the rest of the country can't hide and sweep our heritage under the rug. I'll take any amount of time in which we force people to look that this ugly and polarizing history of ours.

Also your mini-rant about still having millions of blacks alive is a little over the top to me. Yes our ancestors had to endure horrible, unfathomable times; however, there was never a genocide against blacks. If anything, White Americans and Europeans would want as many blacks as they could possibly control back then because the more you have, the more who can work under you. So other then those two things I think this was an excellent piece and am looking forward to how your part 2 turns out.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
646 days ago
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Also, for the record if anyone missed it above, as a black man in this community, Black American or Black is fine with me and is actually preferrable to the term Aferican-American. A term in which I can not identify myself because I cannot track my African hertiage and am a 4th Generation Black American.
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KelsdadAll-Star
646 days ago
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No joke.

I had a battle with insomnia last night so I turned on NBA TV about 1am and there was this show on about fantastic finishes, you know, last minute buzzer beaters, great comebacks, etc. The last ten minutes focused on Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, two guys whose careers paralled and who were know for late game heroics. And I thought, damn, that would make a great article for the 'chair, how they came in together, how the NBA marketed (and exploited) them, and then I see SS' story. I guess now I'll have more time to spend on it, or not, depending.

Great minds do think alike, right, SSR?
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KelsdadAll-Star
646 days ago
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There's also the story of Max Schmeling & Joe Louis. Sometimes participants portray a story in order to protect the truth. Sometimes media presents a situation and people believe it to be true because that is all they know.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
646 days ago
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Schmeling ended up being one of the main supporters and helpers of Joe Louis when man in the USA turned their back on him.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Joe Louis wouldn't of ended up requiring Schmeling's assistance if it wasn't for the gawddamn fed government forcing him to pay taxes on fights during WWII where the prize money was already given back to the government. Yeah you read that right.
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KelsdadAll-Star
646 days ago
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That's just a little part of it Tyrone.

Joe Louis wouldn't have needed assistance either if his family didn't sponge away his fortune.

And if his managers didn't screw him into the poor house.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Agreed. But having the IRS on Joe Louis' back after WWII is an absolute national disgrace.
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KelsdadAll-Star
646 days ago
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They did that to everyone though. The country was bankrupt after WW II and taxed everybody for everything. My grandfather lost his business because of double taxing. The government may have taken a couple hundred grand they weren't entitled to, his managers took millions.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Not much has changed since, has it Kels?
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KelsdadAll-Star
646 days ago
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No, sir, it hasn't
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LASportsblogAAA-er
646 days ago
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There's no need for a fanbox so I'll just insert the text: THIS USER IS A FAN OF THE FAIR TAX - END THE IRS!!!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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That was pretty much EXACTLY how the founding fathers felt about King George....
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LASportsblogAAA-er
646 days ago
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Well, TB.... maybe a little reveloution is good for a great nation every 230 years or so....
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LASportsblogAAA-er
646 days ago
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Let me take a line out of Barack's book from last nights debate: "A great founding father once inspired me by saying: 'No Taxation without representation'."
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Ha ha, LOL LA. Homeland Security is now probably following this thread - closely!
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LASportsblogAAA-er
646 days ago
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At least I didn't "plagerize" his style, Hillary would have her goons mug me if I did.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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Hilldawg somewhat trivializing MLK's civil rights work by suggesting that "it took a president" to invoke change really didn't work for me. Or (I'm guessing" a couple million other voters....
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LASportsblogAAA-er
646 days ago
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OO OO how about this gem: "You can't xerox change" Ah you hear that sound? That's the sound of Hilldawg conceeding the election with dumb lines.
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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LASB (too lazy to reply), thanks for the complement. And thanks to the commenters for not making this another flame war.:)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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{translation} Thanks Tyrone for not flaming..... :)
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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Oh yeah, thanks TB. I understand the opening peace is a little high schoolish LASB...happens when you're in high school I guess.:)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
646 days ago
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You did alright for yourself with this one SSR. Kudos.
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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Thank you.... Just fill me in on what else Mariotti* feels like flip-flopping on.:)
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LASportsblogAAA-er
646 days ago
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Trust me Mookie, your acceptance of that will take you quite a long way to start, and your ability to grow beyond K-12 when your 18-20 will turn your talent into a dangerous attribute. Your talented with the knowledge and information you have to work with, world perspective and persective on national storylines takes time to develop, it will come in time. The fact that you removed the high school element beyond the parts I mentioned is comendable, it doesn't read as an essay. You were able to seemlessly intergrate controversial historical language within your story without it being glarring or the focus of your story. For example you do a great job of focusing on Jackie Robinson's career and your still able to add in the slurs and adversity he had to endure without it being the focus of the paragraph. Bravo Mookie, this was well done.
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SSreportersLegend
646 days ago
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Al Campanis, Jimmy the Greek, discuss.:)
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DRE-LOAAA-er
646 days ago
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Thank you SS Reporters, for writing such a great article.
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Cougar2000All-American
645 days ago
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Keep 'em coming, SS!
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
645 days ago
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I have one little question about the title "How Far WE'VE Come": are you referring to us Caucasian people on NOT being arrogant, KKK, ignorant, racist assholes anymore? Is that what the "we've" is?

"It's remarkable that despite all of what black people have had to endure over centuries, we still have millions alive. Blacks could be gone from this Earth when you think of it. What they dealt with that modern day folks can't fathom, and everything else, they're still here. "

Hum.....
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
645 days ago
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The "we've" was my suggestion. The first draft was entitled with a "they've".

I applaud SSR for being open enough to the suggestion for making the edit. After all, this is his article.

"We" is inclusive. That implies EVERYONE. IMO - it is absolutely appropriate.

This is a rather complex and difficult subject for a very young author. SSR deserves credit for attempting to take on such a task with the realization that it would draw attention and possible criticism.

I say "kudos" to his effort.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
645 days ago
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I'm in FULL agreement on this. I like the word "we've" as well I was just asking SSR his thoughts.

I still get uncomfortable with the word "blacks" but whatever. Like if I said "the blacks live next door to me" I would think people would feel that to be inappropriate.

In all honesty thou, any article with this much depth about race will create questions and opinions. It's a good thing.

Again, I say this is the best article on armchairgm that I have EVER read since being here.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
645 days ago
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Hey Frank until yesterday I thought the term you refer to would bother others as well (because it bothers me). I prefer African-American.

And then I learned yesterday that other people don't share that opinion.

No problem.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
645 days ago
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Yeah but do you really like being called "African-American"?

The world would be a better place if we didn't use ANY of these terms. Get rid of saying "Jews", "Catholics", "Christians", "Blacks", "Asians", etc etc.

Think that day will ever come?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
645 days ago
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Your first question, answer is "yes" - see on thread above for explanation. No and I hope that it never does. The problem is how people label THEMSELVES. It is how they erroneously label and judge OTHERS.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
645 days ago
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Why do you always need the "african" part. If you are 5th generation American don't you just want to be "american"? I think others wrote we don't say I'm "scottish-american", "irish-american", "dutch-american", "russian-american"?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
645 days ago
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Personal choice, Frank.

I will always honor my ancestors.

And that is one of the great aspects to this country, having the freedom to do so.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
645 days ago
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Again I'm NOT trying to criticize but I've been thinking about this. That's what makes this article so GREAT: it gets you thinking (watch out!!!).

Anyway, I THINK it depends on how you use the word black.

As in I think I'm uncomfortable with JUST using the word "Blacks". But if you write "Black history" or "Black Athletes" that seems okay. But if you write "Blacks" In Sports" or "Blacks" in baseball I get uncomfotable: vs writing or saying "black" baseball players.

Does this make sense????
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CoachcarpenterJV Squad
645 days ago
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SS - great article. If I have a beef about the AGM, it is seeing an article like this become fodder for discussion of 15 different topics from the content. I guess it is inevitable, but I think it takes away from the original piece. Our school held seminars on MLK Day about race issues in America and I did one on race in sports. Robinson and TX Western were topics, as well as Ali, Doug Williams, Tiger and the '72 Olympic guys. There are so many issues still today - I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.
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ButterwoWaterboy
645 days ago
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SS, I like that you've generated this discussion. It's interesting to me that so much of the conversation has been about names, rather than the historical details you've shared. So might we return to your history for a moment, especially Robinson and integration? I'll start by noting that Robinson's courage can't be underestimated, nor can his social impact. 1947 was when baseball was the unparalleled national pastime, and it's significant that MLB integration occurred 7 years before Brown v. Board of Education and 8 years before Rosa Parks and the Montgomery bus boycott. A big deal, indeed.

However, there is something all too familiar in your story, one which reduces the struggle for racial justice to the single moment on April 15 when Robinson took the field. Let us not forget that racism did not end at that moment, and that it took until 1959 before every team would allow a black player (the Boston Red Sox were the last holdout). Also, please remember the years of struggle that preceded Robinson. The black press was instrumental in this, especially the Pittsburgh Courier, which launched an integration campaign in 1933. It's unlikely that Branch Rickey would have signed Robinson in 1946 had these efforts not be made.

All of which is to say that the Jackie Robinson narrative has taken on a life of its own 60 years later, a life that too often obscures the considerable contributions of many others (including Larry Doby, who took the field for the Cleveland Indians just weeks after Robinson).
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
645 days ago
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Keep in mind though that this is just one article out of a series that SSR intends to post. There is more to be discussed than Jackie Robinson playing major league baseball.
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J-DawgVarsity Captain
645 days ago
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In relevance to this article i would like to aknowlede the first black NHL player Willie O'Ree. O'ree broke into the NHL in 1958 which makes this year his 50th anniversary. O'Ree paved the way for many black hockey players.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
645 days ago
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I'm sure SSR might get there and mention him. Maybe we should start up an article of locker room article where people can add certain events and players of significance?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
645 days ago
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I've tried to stay out of this so bad...

Where is Jack Johnson when you need him?

According to geekly scientists who've found the earth's oldest skeletons in Africa - we're ALL African of descent. The End.

Actually, here's my question - DOES IT EVEN MATTER?

Please. White people aren't "White" and black people aren't "black" and we "Americans" get caught up in these nuances while the majority of people on this planet are neither white NOR black!!! Hey, REAL Americans aren't black or white either!!! Who do we think we are???

Get OVER it!!! People are people. Everyone's "angle" is a singular faction made up of their unique experiences and influences. Placing blame or taking credit for the actions of people who have been dead for generations is irresponsible.

How about the title gets changed to "Look how far colored people" have come, or Look how far "negros" have come? Who cares? The REAL important question - How much further do we need to go until we're just "people"???

Jeez, if alien armies come to this planet they'll have it easy. We're already too busy killing each other because we don't look the same!

And like I've said many many times - We all BLEED the same color. Making things an issue doesn't make them a non-issue. If anyone got to choose what race they were born as, then THEY have a right to complain.

Otherwise - It's not what you're given, it's what you do with it.
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Frank StevensonRed-Shirting
645 days ago
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Agree with you. However, you can't ignore history and pretend it never happened. The labeling I personally would like to get rid of but unfortunately "getting over it" isn't that easy for certain populations and races (too much brutality and "wrongness" have occured in the past). I do hope that one day people do forgive and we can move on (but to think the world is there right now is just ignorant thinking too). We are just way too facked up of a world.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
645 days ago
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And as long as we keep saying that, we will continue to be...

Africans were hardly the only enslavened people and hardly the only group of people tortured and killed for being different

There were more Armenians killed in one weekend by the Turks than there were slaves brought to the United States.

"Know your history" - most of the "slaves" were sold by Africans and brought to the Americas - of the 12 million sent in boats across the Atlantic - less than 6% actually came to the United States... MOST went to Brazil - and met up with the 4 million native people who were enslaved. Brazil - where slavery was not abolished until in 1888!!! Yet, when is the last time you heard of racial tensions in Brazil?

The problem ISN'T history!! It is the way we choose to look at it! If we look at it like our evolution as people - an opportunity to learn and overcome, then guess what? We learn and overcome!

If we choose to look at like a traumatic experience and never deal with the reality of it, then we perpetuate a cycle of post traumatic syndrome, in essence. We prevent ourselves from "oveercoming" and we "become" instead...

If "African"-Americans were truly to support their ancestory then they should take a longer, harder look at what's going on in Africa TODAY (Darfur, Sierra Leonne, Nairobi, Mozambique, the entire Congoan region) than worry about what's going on in cushy, comfortable "America". And yes, I really do lay awake at night in concern for the people of the world while I worry about such trivialities as my mortgage.

There's too much money to be made by people who don't care about doing the "right thing" to keep people from ever thinking for themselves.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
645 days ago
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And I disagree. This is NOT a fucked up world. This is the most beautiful world we will ever know!

Perception is 100% of percieved reality. Relativity.

Reality is 100% of something, as fallible humans we will never possibly comprehend.
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JuTMSY4Legend
645 days ago
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Philosophy and more factually accurate history...amazing!
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
645 days ago
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But isn't there something to be said about cultural identity and heritage? Yes, we're all people. But throughout our lives we've been raised and conditioned by our cultures. I was raised White North European Catholic. My skin isn't completely white, I'm from America, and I'm not a Catholic anymore. But that's how I was raised, and that's still a part of me.

I remember when I went to England, the people just struck me as different. We spoke the same language, even had similar ethnic histories, but they were just a bit more orderly and concerned with the greater good. Getting on the subway in London was much different than the subway in Boston.

So maybe there are differences between us. It isn't skin deep, and there's no definitive borders, but there are cultural differences. And that's not a bad thing. If people just accepted those differences, and tolerated them, then things would be a lot easier.

And by the way, Manny, this is also the ugliest world we will ever know. Whether or not the world is beautiful or ugly is irrelevant. It is the world. That's what matters.
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JuTMSY4Legend
645 days ago
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nice point Rawb... Although, when i was in england, I had a hard time believing we spoke the same language ; - )
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SSreportersLegend
645 days ago
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And I disagree. This is NOT a fucked up world. This is the most beautiful world we will ever know! Maybe the world is not f***ed up, but the people living in this beautiful land are f***ing it up.
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JuTMSY4Legend
645 days ago
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you think so? I think you're just choosing to look at the bad stuff
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SSreportersLegend
645 days ago
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The world is not messed up. It is beautiful when you take away all of the non-man made stuff. It's man that is responsible for wars, disease, violence, Boston.....
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JuTMSY4Legend
645 days ago
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wars over natural resouces...diseases caused by viruses and bacteria, violence over natural disasters...its more complicated than that
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
645 days ago
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A few weeks ago it was 25 degrees out, freezing rain, and thundering. You can't tell me that's not facked up.
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