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A Historical Perspective

by AmphibiousSportsDuo
created August 21, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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Sports fans, as a whole, have been suckered in. Debates about whose favorite player reigns supreme is nothing new, but the need instantly quantify an athlete’s place in history is a phenomenon intensified by the Talking Heads. We no longer have 24 hours to enjoy an accomplishment before we have to rack and stack their performance against history. The problem is not the debate, but that battle lines are drawn, hyperbole and insults serve as ammunition instead of facts.

Part of the joy of Michael Phelps’s performance was the opportunity to look back and learn how his performance compares to other Olympic greats. Phelps has, at minimum, established himself as the best all-around swimmer in history. This fact is quantifiable. He holds records in individual strokes as well as medley events, a rarity not seen since Gary Hall Sr., who held three individual world records to Phelps’s four, but never won a gold medal. To date, no one has broken Phelps’s individual records except himself, a fact made more impressive considering he’s held three of them for five plus years.

Limiting Phelps’s greatness in today’s day and age is unacceptable. The titles of Greatest Olympian and Greatest Athlete are now mandatory discussion points. People try to quantify his accomplishments against those of Jesse Owens, Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, et al. The topic is not a bad one, except that most people lack the breadth of knowledge to discuss them, while all taking different sides. Defenders of Owens play the Nazi card, while neglecting the awe-inspiring day he had at the Big Ten Championships. Others attempt to quantify Phelps’s medals v. Woods’s Majors, assuming a 1:1 medals to majors ratio. This ratio would put Padraig Harrington (3 majors) on the same level with Russian Greco-Roman wrestler Alexander Karelin (3 Olympic Gold Medals), a beast of a man that went undefeated from 1987-2000. These apples to oranges comparisons are as limitless as they are difficult, and too often spiral into a chorus of “nuh uh,” “you can’t be serious,” and “you must be joking.”

It’s ironic given all the hard work that these athletes put in to their craft, is offset by the lack of effort put in by the people that state their case. The discussion should be entertaining, a challenge to place someone in the hierarchy of history, but the need to anoint one is a futile effort that, like so many arguments, is often “won” by those that yell loudest. We should embrace these opportunities to learn about the greats before our time or to revisit their achievements. The fun should lie in learning that Johnny Weissmuller was undefeated, revisiting Edwin Moses’s winning streak, and hearing what others have discovered. The joy of debate should be the discussion, not the result.


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The oldest manVarsity
468 days ago
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If you compare Weissmuller's records and times to the rest of the swimmers he was so far ahead of them that during the games it was only a matter of how much would he beat them by. In the 100 final, I believe he was almost 3 seconds ahead of the field. Debating is fun but in this particular situation Phelps isn't ahead of his fellow swimmers with the same time different. I was lucky because I got to see him swim more than once and watching him swim with his head high out of the water and being so far ahead of the field still blows my mind when I watch today's games. Johnny Weissmuller was a big individual massive in the chest and upper body. He moved so fast in the water that his speed really showed up more because he was pushing all that water in front of him. But he and Plelps are very different swimmers, you could say it was power versus cutting edge swimming. Body style vs abilities you pick'em. I have watched both and it is very hard to choice one. Plelps most certainly is the greatest swimmer of all time that isn't even in question. His medals and records prove that but one thing I know if all things being equal considering the times then and now who would be the fastest human in the water. If Johnny had use of the training of today his times would have been off the board. 56-57 may have been 50 or 51, but is something to always debate about later. My congrats to M. Plelps and go USA.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
467 days ago
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Yeah, but will Phelps even DREAM of having a similar career out of the pool? Or in the sack? (Johnny almost had one wife for every one of Phelps' medals!!!)
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
467 days ago
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Dick Fosbury RULES!!!

Look, people will always come along and change their sport and usher in new eras of dominance. And there's always a new sport waiting to join in on the fun - Scubalympics 2012!!!

It's more important that we enjoy the moment than desecrate it AND the past with this nonsense. It's like all of society is a horde of trained monkeys that jump every time the bananas of the past are bunched with the new bananas.

It's sensationalism and a cheap ploy of mass hypnosis. It's a tool of marketing amde specifically for suckers. Once you agree to the argument, you don't even realize you're getting subconsciously stamped by the advertisers. I love Lenovo! (Don't know what they do, but they use the Olympics as a cloak to hock their wares! So it's gotta be good!)

Albert Einstein was a crappy athlete and even he knew it was all relative, but a certain time and certain place can only intersect once; not over and over every time the words "BEST EVER" get unleashed.
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