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A Cup of Tea (A Choice of Preference): Kobe or LeBron?

by Bravesgirl85
created June 01, 2009, last edited June 02, 2009
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About six years ago the basketball argument of this decade was started: Who's better, Kobe Bryant or LeBron James? Since then, we haven't looked back at the past unless it was to take a glimpse of who these two were compared to: the greatest of all time, Michael Jordan. This argument cannot be started until we look at the full grasp of Jordan.

I'm not going to the history books to research information on Jordan. My childhood have been catered to knowing everything about him. So for, every person out there questioning my sports knowledge just gave up. I grew up on sports. Come along for the ride.

Michael Jordan was born in Brooklyn, but moved to North Carolina in his youth. His first sports love would be America's past time (baseball), but he turned to basketball. There were times when people said he was too small to play so he didn't make the varsity team. He went to work. He came back to make the varsity squad and his career would lead him to play in the famed Carolina blue uniform. From there, he became a Bull.

I could close my eyes and hear the Bulls' theme in the United Center. Turn the lights out. Increase the fog. Where's my flashing lights? Playing guard, #23, from the University of North Carolina, Michaaaaeeel Jorrrrrdan!

It was greatness. In time, he would win numerous MVP titles, scoring titles, Championship rings and be an Olympian. The numbers mattered but it didn't matter.

I could rally his stats off like I was a talking encyclopedia, but an encyclopedia is pointless. Simple numerical facts are irrelevant. They don't, they cannot, tell how he played.

Jordan played with a desire to not only be the best, but to make everyone around him better. He never gave up. He was the epitome of a classy teammate and player. He was the Greg Maddux of basketball, graceful. Almost every game was a highlight reel, but in this highlight reel you could see a Pippen, a Kukoc, a Kerr. Michael Jordan was "The Air" and we are still not sure how many people can reach that height of greatness.

As I digressed into pure happiness as I walked down memory lane, I must come back to the argument because neither will touch The Air: the Black Mamba or King James...

Individual stats, team stats, MVP awards, and All-star appearances are all numbers that indicate their greatness. In fact, presently, King James is leading. He's better than Kobe Bryant.

Somehow, I'm still not bowing down to the NBA King. I simply don't buy into him yet, but numerically I'm wrong. Surprisingly for a person who likes to be right, I'm okay with stepping away from the numbers and being wrong.

I know that through any amount of time, through any games that I have played there is a stat that I realize the most. Who's missing from a team when I lose? What was different from the time I lost and the time I won?

Fact: Kobe's cast is said to be better. Lakers' record: 65-17.
Fact: LeBron's cast helped lead the Cavaliers to the best record in the NBA, 66-16. Fact: LeBron has a better shooting percentage. Fact: LeBron is the MVP. Fact: LeBron has passed Kobe. Fiction: LeBron is better than Kobe.

If I had Kobe and LeBron on the same team and I had to take one of them away to win the game, I wouldn't take Kobe out. He's the one that will make the game winning shot. He is the intangible that can't be thrown away. LeBron is no trash, far from it. But as in the Olympics, Kobe proved that there is something more that he brings to a team and the game.

LeBron tried to do this without Kobe in 2004. The results were horrible and led to the 2008 cast being called the Redeem Team. Our Olympic basketball is composed of nothing but superstars. So why couldn't LeBron and Company win?

They played too long of a season. They didn't have much preparation as a team. The world was catching up. Blah, blah, blah... these are excuses that shouldn't be made. America not winning a gold medal in basketball is like a long distance runner from any African country not winning a long distance race.

I believe that Kobe is the person from the game that could be filtered in to be the reason why they won. Kobe offers something that is a must. He offers a team the right to be the last one standing. That's the only stat that means something. When you go to battle which team is left standing and who is the captain of that team.

I'm tired of hearing the supporting cast argument because they were good enough in the regular season.

It's as simple as this: if I had to be the captain on a pick up game of 5 on 5 my first selection would be the Black Mamba. I guarantee, not the Mo Williams' type of guarantee but the Babe pointing to center field guarantee, that my team with Kobe Bryant will win.

In the end, the Black Mamba and King James are two NBA greats that have been pitted against each other for a lifetime. They can't outlive the stats or the hype that they have both helped to create. Yet, in the end, we still may not know who is better.

Truthfully, the greatness of a player is beyond his individual stats. His greatness lies in how a fan will perceive him. Perception is everything; it is the key to a player's legacy. So when all is said and done, I believe Kobe will be the greater player.

It's not because I hate King James. I respect his game. It's as simple as this: Kobe is my cup of tea. He's the player that I prefer to lead my team to the next level. I'll keep sipping on that tea until it is no longer viable. I'll respect anyone's decision to sip on a different brand of tea.

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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
181 days ago
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If I had a team with Shaquille O'Neal, I'd want Kobe. Otherwise, I'll take LeBron.
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Bravesgirl85Waterboy
181 days ago
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I understand where you are coming from. LeBron is a damn good player. He just doesn't fit into the make up of a team that I would build with if I had to choose Kobe or him.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
181 days ago
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I truly say this half joking: Who is Micheal Jordan? I've heard of Michael Jordan...Although I admit perhaps Mr. Hanes spells his name that way. After all, it was good enough for Micheal Ray Richardson.
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Bravesgirl85Waterboy
181 days ago
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if that's the only problem so far, i can accept that.
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A QQVarsity
180 days ago
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AF#1 Thanks, you should join armchairgm.com

I know Lebron should no matter act to accord. As a role model and competitor. He should know that the "Competition" was over and that a true winner accepts his fate no matter the outcome.

Also I do hope he becomes a Star that wins Championships.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
180 days ago
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Sorry, this is all I got for ya - I don't pay much attention to the NBA. Write some more about baseball and football and you'll get (at least I think so) better/more thoughtful comments from me.
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A QQVarsity
181 days ago
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Bravesgirl85 I completely agree, that both Kobe and Lebron are amazing players with talents that make people flock to stadiums and arenas. They are amazing in their own ways.

I just don't know why we have to choose? Why do we have to sip on our own cups of tea and not see that both players make the NBA and basketball more great!

I can make an argument that Kobe cannot be great unless his "Support Cast" is and same for Lebron. I hate calling them the support, when in fact they are more than, the stars themselves. Kobe needs a Center that he can depend on, as we have heard time and time again there is no "I" in team. Kobe's job, which he does extraordinarily, is to lift his team when they need it the most and to "Close" the game. He does it too perfection, too perfect some games. but he has had time to perfect it. kobe has had 13 years to play and had a "rebirth" making him the player he is today. Lebron started in 2003, it has been 6 years, give him at least 10 so he can find himself as well.

The have both flawed, I disliked Lebron for not shaking hands, he has to always promote sportsmanlike conduct no matter what. Everyone in the NBA is a competitor so he was in the wrong.

I do not choose who is better.. that's just not my cup of tea. They have so much talent and quality that makes look in awe at two players that are and will define a generation.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
180 days ago
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I loved your comment. I hope that in ten years Lebron has redefined himself as not on an NBA Superstar but as an NBA Superstar that can win championships. On another note, his walking out before shaking hands was indeed classless. Sadly, I really did expected more of him when it came to his character.
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A QQVarsity
180 days ago
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AF#1 Thanks, you should join armchairgm.com

I know Lebron should no matter act to accord. As a role model and competitor. He should know that the "Competition" was over and that a true winner accepts his fate no matter the outcome.

Also I do hope he becomes a Star that wins Championships.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
180 days ago
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A QQ, usually I'm with you on things, however I have to call BS on LeBron shaking hands. If this was a HS game, or a Youth Game, any non-professional game, I would expect the hand shake. But as LeBron put it, he's paid lots of money, and puts lots of passion and emotion into obtaining a goal. When you fall far short of that goal, and get your ass handed to you in the process, you shouldn't be required to in that highly emotional state shake hands.

This isn't even to mention that Dwight Howard threw up that BS 3 at the end of regulation and caught a glare from LeBron that we usually only see Kobe shoot at Vlad Radmonovic. LeBron was exhausted, emotional, and pissed off, I'm glad he removed himself from a situation that he could of only effected in a negative fashion.

I hated that all the ESPN talk shows other then Mike Tirico demanded that LeBron shake hands with (of all people) Dwight Howard after the game. Now I only played NCAA level sports, but even at that level if I get beat down by another team and then they toss it to their center to chuck up a "blow me" 3 pointer, I'm tell them to F-off and heading to the locker room. It's not unsporting, it's at least no more unsporting then what Dwight Howard did.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
180 days ago
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I do remember the Bruins' Aaron Ward shaking hands with Scott Walker a few weeks ago, after Walker fractured Ward's orbital bone with a sucker punch.


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A QQVarsity
180 days ago
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I understand your point of view LASportsblog, I really do. I haven't played anywhere near professional level but I am against you on this one.

I understand that he is payed millions to not only play the game, but to advertise it. I understand that emotions run high and that it was a playoff game, with much at stake. I even agree that what Howard did at the end of the game was completely whack and uncalled for.

The competition was over, his team was beat. As you said his ass was handed to him in orderly fashion "until Howard shot that last 3". But in the end he lost.. it's not that Orlando had cheated their way into the finals, it wasn't "all" the ref's faults, it was because the Cav's were simply, not good enough.. they have the talent but where their Coaching, team and tactics were needed it wasn't meant to be. They lost not because of any misfortune but because they [the Cav's] were simply outplayed. Emotions are high and what's done is done. But I think Lebron was just angry that he probably knew/knows that he was/is probably ill supported or he knew/knows his coach had nothing to offer. He showed his anger to the wrong people and I understand all the emotions and risks when playing but when all of that is done and the cameras stop rolling we have to show the fans and the kids of the next generation that acting like a sport is important and that in all sports, no matter the shape of the ball or the rules of playing, being respectful and acting professional are traits that we hold dear no matter the circumstances.

I will always catch the chance to watch Lebron play, this is nothing compared to what other athletes have done, I still think he was in the wrong.

What I actually disliked was the reason. It doesn't make sense to me but what's done is done. I have not lost respect for Lebron but I am a little disappointed.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
180 days ago
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Damn A QQ, that was such a good response all I can say is damn, that was a good response. Talk about earning your right to an opinion, I feel like you earned the right to MY opinion! lol, good stuff bro, agree to disagree on this one, I like where your coming from tho.
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A QQVarsity
180 days ago
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HAHA, Thanks LASportsblog, you make a great debater/opinionater? Yes, Agree to disagree.. We have to do this again ;)
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
180 days ago
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The mark of a fine argument - I can see both sides of the debate. Well done, A QQ and LASB. You both actually made me care (a little) about this game.


In terms of sportsmanship, I'd have liked to see a handshake, but I don't know all the 'behind the scenes' details, so this is an uninformed opinion at best. That said, I don't think that players should be required to shake hands. If they don't feel like doing that in the heat of the moment, then fine. I know that when I lose, I am not always in the frame of mind to congratulate the bastard. That's my policy... :-)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
180 days ago
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I agree with LA's comments about Michael Jordan. IMO, he may have been the greatest basketball player ever on the court. However, he was/is/and never will be the greatest human being off the court.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
180 days ago
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Was this basketball debate really started when LeBron was drafted in 03? I mean, really? There was no debate Tim Duncan was the best player from 2003-2005. Then Kobe was the best player in 2006 but Steve Nash was the fan fave and won the MVP. I'd say this has only be a legit conversation since the 2006 Finals.
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LASportsblogAAA-er
180 days ago
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Plus, hate to bust your media-created bubble, but Michael Jordan is a gambler, womanizer and ultra-competitor (aka Asshole). Although I loved the man as a child, he is who he is, and he is not a classy teammate; and while he is a respectable human, he's kinda so-so in that department also. I'd call Kobe and LeBron both better people and teammates.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
180 days ago
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Not just a gambler, a degenerative gambler. He'd bet $100 million in a golf game against Tiger Woods, and he'd give Tiger odds.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
180 days ago
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In a since, the phenom started before LeBron graduated from high school. His greatness in high school suggested that one day he may be on Michael Jordan's status. The current heir to the Air's throne was, at that time, Kobe Bryant. As soon as LeBron arrived in the NBA there was a rival between the two. The rival has been amplified more so in the past few years because LeBron has started to and has surpassed the stats of Kobe. Not even A.I. or D. Wade nor Melo was on the radar of truly being the next MJ; therefore, it was a battle between Kobe and LeBron. It started before LeBron reached his maximum potential. To LSSportsBlog, I think MJ was a better teammate than human. His character on the court exceeds that shown off of the court.
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Bravesgirl85Waterboy
180 days ago
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sense not since
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
180 days ago
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Snap, BravesGirl - you're as bad as me! ;-)
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
180 days ago
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We got tea, but no lemon squares? I am outraged!
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