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Albert in a Can

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by user Mycue23

I believe that the Hall of Fame voting produced a great injustice yesterday. And I'm not talking about the fact that Mark McGwire wasn't inducted. Nor am I talking about the fact that 13 voters decided not to vote for Tony Gwynn (although for the life of me, I can't figure that one out). No, I'm talking about a player who received 19 votes and was dropped from the ballot forever. I'm talking about a player who's numbers are much better than the almost elected Jim Rice. Of course I'm talking about the always popular Albert "don't call me Joey" Belle.

Albert played only 10 seasons in which he had at least 400 at bats. His career was prematurely ended by a degenerative hip disease at the age of 33. However, he terrorized American League pitchers for the decade that he was active. He averaged about 38 home runs and 120 rbi's a year. He had a high water mark of 5o home runs and 152 rbi's. During his run of nine consecutive 100 rbi years, his lowest mark was 103, in his final year, when his hip injury became more debilitating. There are other "short term" stars in the hall of fame and I would dare say that except for Hank Greeberg, Belle has better numbers than all of them. Chuck Klein, Hack Wilson, and Kirby Puckett come to mind. Dizzy Dean was another short term star but he was a pitcher and that doesn't really apply (although Dean shouldn't be in the hall of fame either). Chuck Klein and Hack Wilson were inducted by the veteran's committee years after their deaths, so perhaps I should leave them out of this debate. Kirby Puckett recently died and I guess it's impolite to speak ill of the dead. I personally have nothing bad to say about Kirby except that I just didn't think that he deserved to be a first ballot hall of famer. But this article isn't about Kirby, it's about Albert.

How does someone, who just a short seven years ago was putting together such fantastic seasons in succession, get relegated to trash heap after only two years of consideration by the writers? We can start with the fact that he was at best surly and at worst confrontational when it came to dealing with the press. I doubt that you would be able to find one reporter who shed a tear the day that Albert Belle was forced to retire (the fact that the Orioles still owed him $37 million must have been of some comfort to him though). He did plead guilty to stalking charges this year, which couldn't have helped his case.

The single issue that probably did him in though is the suspicion that most writers have about his steroid use. He never had the great surge in home run power that Sammy Sosa or McGwire did, but there was definitely an upward trend. He went from hitting 36 home runs in '94 to 50 the next year. Even before the whole steroids debate began, I can remember opposing managers wanting to check his bat to see if it was corked. In fact, Jason Grimsley, who was at the center of steroids controversy last year, tells a story about climbing through the ventilation system to retrieve Belle's bat from the umpire's locker. The bat had been confiscated because it was suspected of being corked. Grimsley replaced the confiscated bat with a clean one and Belle was never caught. There is also the fact that his body broke down at such a relatively young age. Some would point to that as a clear sign of steroid abuse.

You would be hard pressed to find someone who is going to shed a tear over the fact that Albert Belle won't be in the hall of fame or that he fell off the ballot. I'm sure that Albert himself would probably tell you that he doesn't care. And I'm not really making a case for his inclusion here. I just think that he probably deserved a little more than he got. His numbers are close enough that he should probably have garnered enough votes to stay on the ballot for his 15 years of eligibility. Oh well, it's probably just me. I’m just one lone voice whistling in the wind. So long, Albert. We hardly knew ye.

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ChristofMVP
1035 days ago
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Injuries are a part of sports and they do impact on the decision of whether a player is worthy for their particular sport's hall of fame. Belle simply did not play long enough to be worthy. He had a good career, but it was not a hall of fame career.
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Mycue23Waterboy
1035 days ago
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It was the same length as Kirby Puckett's was. It was longer than Hack Wilson's. He had more great years and better career numbers than Chuck Klein. I wasn't really arguing that he should have been voted in, I was just shocked that someone with his hitting credentials would fall off the ballot after only two years.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1035 days ago
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fell off after one year on the ballot... Kirby won a series almost by himself and was adored by anyone who wasn't grope-worthy.

Albert was a complete a-hole to the people who ... OH YEAH! ...vote for the HoF! He got what he deserved. Great player, Hall of Fame talent, but NOT a Hall of Famer.

Chuck Klein and Hack Wilson put numbers up when numbers meant more (and were BETTER than you think, apparently)
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ChristofMVP
1035 days ago
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How many rings did Kirby earn? How many did Albert earn? I rest my case.
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Mycue23Waterboy
1035 days ago
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Baseball is a team game. No one player wins a World Series. Didn't Jack Morris' pitching performance have just as much to do with the Twins winning those titles? Albert would have been on a world Series winning team if not for a ninth inning error by Tony Fernandez against the Marlins. The fact that he was an A-hole shouldn't really matter. The hall has let in lots of racists, wife beaters, cheaters, gamblers... Once again, I'm not here to campaign for his inclusion, I just thought that he should have gotten more consideration than he did.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1035 days ago
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Were you alive in 1991? One player (Kirby) kept the Twins from losing Game 6, and YES, also won same said game singlehandedly! I agree that Joey (Albert) should have had more consideration, but the Baseball Writers didn't agree (most of them whom he treated like an A-hole!) and that's who does the voting!
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DNLLegend
1035 days ago
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Belle would have been on my ballot without a second thought. He was arguably a top 5 player every year he played (excepting his cups-of-coffee).
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1035 days ago
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How many writers thought he was juicing?? (This year's voting was really screwed up!)
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KelsdadAll-Star
1035 days ago
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The eloquent Mr Stiles said it perfectly, "...when numbers meant more." And as stated elsewhere in this forum, 389 homers in this offensive era just isnt that big a deal. And when Frank Thomas and his 500 or so homers doesnt get in, and Fred McGriff and his 493 doesnt get in for the same reason, then Mr. Belle's numbers will be put into the context of what they really are, average for the times, which are not Hall worthy.
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Mycue23Waterboy
1035 days ago
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389 hr's in 10 seasons should mean a lot. Even in today's homer happy era I think 39 hr's a year speaks to consistent outstanding production. Discouting that kind of output is like discounting Rogers Hornby hitting .400 because it was done more often during his era. Albert Belle produced 5 seasons of hall of fame production. His OPS+ was over 145. Kirby Puckett produced exactly one of the same such seasons. And Manny, I was alive in 1991 and 1981 and 1971 and I stand by what I said. No single player wins or loses a baseball game and certainly not an entire series. Because a player has more World Series rings does not make him better or worse than someone else. I can name 50 players who have more rings than Kirby. Does that make them better than him? Of course not. And I don't think the fact that Kirby has more World Series wins than Albert makes him better either. Listen, I know that backing Albert Belle isn't exactly a popular stance. I just thought that it was something that needed to be said. And I never said that he should be a hall of famer, I just said that he probably deserved more consideration than he got.
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KelsdadAll-Star
1035 days ago
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Out of curiosity I checked BR.com and Klein's numbers are better than Alberts, on a season average basis, which is what you look for when their is a large discrepancy in years played. (Klein 17, Belle 12) And Klein spent the majority of his career playing for some pretty crappy Phillies teams, so that further adds credibility to his numbers. Tough to get 120 RBI's with no one on base most of the time. Albert spent most of his career playing with Robbie Alomar and Carlos Baerga and Thome, plus had some good on-base guys with him in Chicago. Could almost make an argument his numbers should have been better than they were.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1034 days ago
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As a Tribe fan, I really have no sympathy or surprise in me for Belle's HOF demise. His lack of HOF support probably comes down to one thing (besides the fact that he probably tried to kill at least 5% of the HOF voters): Not only was he plagued by injuries, he was plagued by injuries that were most likely caused by steroid use (based on the nature of his injuries and his increases in size and numbers). That temper of his is a symptom of steroids as well. If the beloved McGwire can't get into the hall because of steroid accusations, Joey didn't have a chance.
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Mycue23Waterboy
1034 days ago
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Kelsdad, It's well known that Chuck Klein played the majority of his career in a bandbox known as the Baker Bowl. His numbers were incredibly inflated by that fact and he was basically done as a especially productive hitter by the time he was 29. If you look at his numbers, you'll be able to see what kind of dip occured once he left the friendly confines of Philly. Even with that advantage, you will see that Albert Belle has a higher slugging percentage and lifetime OPS+ than Chuck Klein does. Klein was an extraordinarily productive hitter for about 5 years (and as stated, greatly helped by his ballpark). He does have a higher lifetime batting average than Belle, but that was more a function of the time. Belle's lifetime average is actually same in comparison to the league average as Klein's was (They are both .027 above the league average). Belle also hit 83 more home runs and drove in 38 more runs than Klein in 633 fewer lifetime at bats. I think if you look at the numbers closely, you'll see that Belle had the better career.
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Mycue23Waterboy
1034 days ago
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Also, BR has a tool that allows you to see what the numbers of each player would be like in a nuetral stadium. If you check those numbers, you see the disparity grow even greater between the two players. Belle played in tough hitters park for the first six years of his career, while Klein played in a hitter haven.
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KelsdadAll-Star
1034 days ago
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point taken
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KelsdadAll-Star
1034 days ago
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Interesting tool, but if you look further, one aspect not taken into consideration on stat neutralization is park conditions. I agree 100%, Klein had a definite advantage in Baker Bowl, but that's life. And higher slugging and OPS (overrated stat) plays into what I was saying..this is an offensive era, Belle's numbers, while impressive to look at on paper, do not reflect Hall of Fame consideration.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1034 days ago
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keep in mind, you only play HALF of your games at home
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Mycue23Waterboy
1034 days ago
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The league average Slg. Percentage during Klein's career was .418. The average during Belle's career was .420. Basically a wash. I would argue that Klein, Hack Wilson and whole host of players that the veterans committee let in, don't belong in the hall. They've cheapened it to the point that players like Belle are actually in the conversation for the Hall. He really shouldn't be, but when you compare him to these fringe players that are in, his numbers start to look pretty good. I know they can't get kick out the players that are already in there, so I really don't have a problem with players like Belle, Rice, Murphy, Dawson, Parker and the like, not getting in to the hall. Mistakes have been made, but that doesn't mean that have to compound the mistakes made in the past by continuing to put questionable players in the hall.
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KelsdadAll-Star
1034 days ago
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I agree. And taking it a step further, the era from 1927 to maybe 1932-1933 was probably as much of an offensive time as now, just not as long. So, Wilson and Klein benefitted from that at well. But you're right, we could talk all day about guys that are in that shouldn't be and vice versa, but the end result is you and I don't get a vote, although we probably should.
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