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Accuracy of Pre-Computer Age Sports Statistics

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by user Alex Holowczak

I read DNL's article about sport statistics. It struck me that perhaps, they were not quite as foolproof as you'd think.

I looked at Babe Ruth's statistics. In 1920, after his trade to the Yankees, he had 172 hits. In the pencil and paper days, how can we be certain about this? I can't imagine the statistics gurus of 1920 sitting down with God knows how many baseball game statistics in front of them, and adding them up to get 172.

In the modern computer age, it is fair enough, because all that needs to be done is for someone to type the game into a computer, and the stats are produced.

But try this challenge. Take a fixture list of a baseball season, and rosters for all the teams, and gradually work through the season. Keep the array of statistics manually, without formulae, and I'll bet after the first day of the season, the whole thing will be in tatters.

This will be for two reasons...
1. With the volume of statistics keeping track is hard (you will have to check all the time).
2. After half an hour you will be bored out of your mind.

Does STATSinc have records of every game of baseball ever played in MLB, so that they can ensure there is no error with them?

Does anyone know of any statistics from the pre-computer age that have been found incorrect, or in the computer age?


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Tue 05/16/06, 10:07 am EST

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Awrigh01All-Star
1333 days ago
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interesting questions. I am sure there have to be errors in the pre-computer age statistics . . .
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DNLLegend
1333 days ago
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A few years back, the powers-that-be added an RBI to Hack Wilson's record. I'd not be surprised if a full audit found similar errors. We can recreate a lot of it, though, by looking through published box scores from that day. You don't need a computer for that.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1333 days ago
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What, look at all xthousand of them!?
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XtinctWaterboy
1333 days ago
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I don't think we 'look through' so much as format the statistics to be batch processed into a database....once in the database, we now have precomputer statistics, computerized. Also, one thing to keep in mind is the number of differing statistics kept today versus times gone by....ie Slugger Percentage, or in football, QB rating...........
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1333 days ago
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I take your point 'Xtinct.' But what about when the pre-computer statistics were originally recorded? The 'chinese whispers' effect of them being passed down is bound to have distorted them.
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Davis21wylieMVP
1332 days ago
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Along those lines, didn't Pete Palmer scour the old box scores and discover that Nap Lajoie actually won the 1910 AL Batting Crown and not Ty Cobb, thanks to a single error on the scorekeeper's part?
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XinophDraft Pick
1332 days ago
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There was also a case where a baseball writer created a player and slipped him into the box score, just to show it could be done. I don't believe the error was caught until he admitted many years later. I think the name even made it into an edition of the Baseball Encyclopedia.
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XinophDraft Pick
1332 days ago
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There's a good summary of the 1910 controversy at http://en.wi...wiki/Ty_Cobb; apparently it was actually a controversy at the time as well.
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XinophDraft Pick
1332 days ago
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But yes, Palmer did discover an error.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1332 days ago
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http://en.wi...wiki/Ty_Cobb
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1332 days ago
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Oops - error on my part (here come the "-" points...)
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1331 days ago
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You have to realize that even today there could be the possibility of statistical errors because humans are the ones writing them down, entering them into the computers, and publishing them online and in print. I just take them as fact and, as it is only sports, try not to worry too much about it.
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