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A Kicker and a Punter?

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by user Alex Holowczak

An NFL team will generally have a kicker and a punter. In some cases there may even be backups.

But my question is why?

Surely it's the same act of kicking a ball. One is out of hand, and one is off the floor. If someone has the basic ability to kick a ball accurately and powerfully, it should be the same skill.

If NFL teams had one player to occupy both roles, and perhaps a back up, couldn't this save cap room? Even if the back up is useless?

In rugby, the Fly Half is generally expected to be the best kicker both off the floor and out of hand. He even has to master a drop kick, i.e. dropping the ball to the floor, and before it bounces too high, kick it forwards (this scores three points if the kick goes between the posts). If a rugby kicker can master all that, surely an NFL equivalent can do the same.

I'm sure the likes of Todd Sauerbrun could kick goals. This is perhaps more difficult that way around. But Adam Vinatieri would find it easy to punt a ball. Punting is possibly the easier skill.

Anyway, what do you all think?


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Tue 07/04/06, 8:51 am EST


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Bball3345Draft Pick
1246 days ago
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It is also interesting how some teams have their punter kick on kickoffs. Shouldn't the Place Kicker be used for kickoffs, since it is still kicking off the ground?
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DNLLegend
1246 days ago
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Punting style requires lift, distance, and hangtime. Field goals require accuracy. How you approach the ball is the controlling factor. That's why punters often kickoff -- they're able to drive the ball deeper but lack accuracy.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1246 days ago
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Ok, DNL, but with practice couldn't a kicker or punter master the skills of the other position?
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DNLLegend
1246 days ago
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Sure, but it's not like an on/off switch.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1246 days ago
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Todd Sauerbrun took too many steroids to be a kicker.
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ASwaffAll-American
1246 days ago
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I've often wondered these things myself. I mean, a punter can't necessarily be a kicker, because I've seen a lot of punters try field goals, to disastrous results. But I should think that a decent field goal kicker would be able to be a punter.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1246 days ago
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I agree A Swaff, I've seen the same results of punters trying field goals. The problem with the reverse is time. Training a kicker to learn how to punt the ball within the 20 yd line isn't something you can teach overnight. Coaches want results and they want them now, not soon. What made punters like Ray Guy and Reggie Robey so great wasn't merely the fact they could nail a 55 yd punt almost at will. It was where they placed those punts. DNL's analysis of both styles of kicking are completely accurate not to mention there is a different mentality or approach to every position.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
1246 days ago
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I understand, just wondering, like Alex, why they couldn't be taught. True, it can't happen overnight. But it seems like if a tight end can be taught to play linebacker, or a cornerback can be taught to play safety, why a kicker couldn't become a punter.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1246 days ago
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Reggie Roby was a super-human freakazoid. Rest his watch-wearing, single-bar face-masked soul.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1246 days ago
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I think all kicking should be removed from football. If you can't get 10 yards in 4 plays, you suck. You shouldn't be rewarded with a chance to kick. If you had to go for it on 4th down every time, the game would be better and more interesting. I guess that makes if more like rugby, but I have manny issues with football
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Sayhey-rodSoccer Kid
1245 days ago
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Hate to say that I sort of agree with you. It's really depressing that so many great NFL games are frequently left in the hands (or feet :) of the placekickers during overtime.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1246 days ago
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Gary Collins who played for the Browns in the 60's held receiving and punting records as a WR/P.
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EroosterMajor Leaguer
1245 days ago
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In the Canadian Football League, there are five of the current eight teams that employ a P/K.
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Patrickburke1980All-American
1245 days ago
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Alex, why have the same player do two jobs when you can have two players specialize??
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1245 days ago
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Save cap room (every little helps), and I think it's basically the same speciality.
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JuTMSY4Legend
1245 days ago
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I feel like cap room for a kick and punter is irrelivant ( think they average around 1.2mil for both combined). More importantly, you can open another roster spot. I believe that is where the real value is...
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Bobbyjim45Draft Pick
1245 days ago
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It's like the same argument as why guards and tackles aren't interchangable or why wide receivers don't play as defensive backs. They are really two different specialties and it's not like they're using up a whole lot of roster space.
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JuTMSY4Legend
1245 days ago
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Wideouts can play DB, and it happens...DBs usually can't play wideout because they have no hands...on the other hand, there are quite a few tackles and guards that switch...generally a tackle is a guard but a guard is not a tackle...for example, Andy Reid (Eagles' coach) requires all O-lineman to play 2 positions ont he line...typically tackle/guard or guard/center...
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1245 days ago
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I would imagine if there were injuries that that could help in terms of getting a replacement. I wonder if someone will ever play offense + defense in a match, e.g. CB & WR, C and DT, or something like that. Imagine his income if he was really good at them.
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
1245 days ago
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alex, you complain about the most minute terminology for a soccer game ("goalie" instead of "goalkeep" or whatever), yet you refer to an NFL game as a "match"
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JuTMSY4Legend
1245 days ago
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No alex, it happens all the time. Darren Howard plays DE and DT. Deion Sanders was known to play WR. RBs, WRs, DBs have all been punt returners...its just specialization...
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1245 days ago
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I'm sorry AF, will note for future
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TartanVarsity Captain
1245 days ago
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I think this idea is fairly absurd. The amount of practice field goal kickers and punters have before they even enter the league, 4-plus years of sole commitment to only that position, and then some still aren't that great at either makes it a fairly rare chance that even a person could succeed at both. Kickers and punters are the positions in the NFL that require the least pure athleticism (don't yell at me), and the most pure practie, and foot-eye coordination. The other positions, players can get transfered from outside linebacker to d-end, vice versa, but many of the reads they make on plays are the same, and if they have the athletic ability, then they can do it, but kickers and punters cannot rely on their athletics to help them kick a ball in different styles. Just because they perform a kicking motion, doesn't mean they're interchangeable. That is like saying shouldn't baseball players and golfers be interchangeable, they both perform a swinging with a stick motion. What about pitchers and quarterbacks, throwing motions requiring force and accuracy. Although those sometime happen, it is relatively absurd to think one motion equals another. Does every volleyball player make a great goalkeeper, jumping and hitting a ball, jumping up to redirect shots; no obviously not. Sports played at such a high level require intense specialization, across the sporting world. That is why the feats of Jim Brown, Bo Jackson, Babe Dickerson, Jim Thorpe, Deion Sanders, and Olympic decathletes are so impressive.
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
1128 days ago
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Well said Tartan! Good analogies... And the key word is "motion". The evolution of the game requires specialization and so much more sophisticated and advanced from the old days of George Blanda or Paul Hornung.
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
817 days ago
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it is not the same skill at all, i am a kicker and a punter and let me tell yall that punting the ball is so much harder... those guys must be good athletes and it is hard to do both...
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Anonymous Fanatic #7
776 days ago
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Ima kicker and a punter for my high school,and i agree with anonymous #6. punting is extremely hard, even though i focus on punts and kickoffs more than i field goal kick. on a punt, you dont have big, strong lineman to block, ou have a bunch on rb's, wr's, lb's, db's, and a longsnapper. because punts require coverage, not jsut blocking for the punt, but if a line would in theory give nough time to block, a putner to kick out of the endzone for a touchback, ive done it, but still, field goals have huge linemna because there is no running involved. i have the starting o line as my line, on my putn team, i have a tackle as a longsnapper, a couple rb's, a few wr's on the ends, and a lb as a personal protector. unters need ot leanr to be able to take a hard hit if a coverage breaks. kickers never get hit, its agianst the rules, you can hit the punter before he relases the ball,believe me ive been hit plenty of times.
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