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A "Cultural Thing"

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by TheBatman

Terrell Owens says he's been to dogfights down South, that they're common. Clinton Portis wasn't surprised and said that dog-fighting was no big deal. Even Stephon Marbury chimed in when the subject arose. But leave it to Whoopie Goldberg to clear it all up for us. Evidently, we should cut the ex-Falcon QB, current felon a break because dog-fighting is a "cultural thing".

Thank you Whoopie. Even though you had no answers when Joy Behar asked you if animal electrocution and murder were "cultural things", you really cleared it up for me. So I'm perfectly willing to drop my beef with Ron Mexico and those who support him with such reasoning, with only one requirement.

They just have to acknowledge that the racism, seperatism, lynchings, and murders that took place in the first half of the 20th century, were just a "cultural thing". Slavery too; just a "cultural thing". The KKK, and hate mongers in general;  just a cultural thing.

You see folks, it's very easy. Once one excuses abuse, torture and murder as a cultural affect, one doesn't get to choose which abuses, tortures and murders are acceptable.

Like Heidi Klum says, "it's fashion baby, you're either in or your out".

One either blithers ridiculous excuses for sociopathic/psychopathic behavior or they don't.

Of course I can't help but wonder, like MattFaw asked, how much Whoopie would have had to say if it was David Carr who bankrolled dogfighting and tortured and murdered animals. Would it be a "cultural thing" then, Whoop?

Actually, I don't wonder. There's no question in my mind that Whoopie would have had either nothing to say, or she would be lambasting any white QB at every turn.

Because dogfighting is not a "cultural thing". It's a gruesome excuse to experience the most base and prurient primal instincts. Just like tying black me to the back of cars and dragging them until they're torn to pieces, is not a "cultural thing". Just like raping black female slaves is not a "cultural thing". They're just acts of depravity.

So let's call it by its right name folks. Whoopie is a flaming racist, hates white people and will dive headlong at any excuse to minimize the crimes perpetrated by blacks.

Now, making excuses regardless of how heinous one's actions are, that's a "cultural thing".



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JuTMSY4Legend
846 days ago
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Here's a good excuse:

"It was dumb and wrong and incorrect...I'm sorry, I will serve my sentence and try to recover my good name. I hope I can earn everyones' forgiveness. I am sorry"

That'd be a good start...then serve time and pay fines and then begin some charity work, as a public NFL player and/or athlete to clear his name...

America is a land of opportunities and second opportunities, Vick deserves the right to earn a second opportunity...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
846 days ago
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Agreed, this is America and Vick Should be given the chance to earn our forgivness and a second opportunity in the NFL. But make no mistake about it, I think he should show some remorse and tell all of these apologist to stop making him and the rest of the black race look so bad by saying killing dogs is a cultural thing or trying to compare it to hunting, or my favorite "they're his dogs". Right is right and wrong is wrong. It doesn't matter who you are, white, black, north or south tourturing dogs is wrong.
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JuTMSY4Legend
846 days ago
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Very true...

I mean, if this "cultural thing" applied, then the lynchings, slavery, mobs, etc were completely justified and/or ok, because they were "culturally acceptable"...

However, I assume reparations for slavery are no longer needed (or even an issue) if dog fighting is simply a cultural thing?
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
846 days ago
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The whole culural excuse pisses me off, as I find it offensive. I am a black man raised in rural Va not too far from Surrey County Va, hell Im actualy from more of a country background. Ive never seen a dog fight, dont know anyone who dog fights. My point being, this is not a cutral phenomina, it is just some jackass idiots in a back alley. Dont insult an entire race of people through self canabalzation.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
846 days ago
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Can it really be considered a cultural thing when such a small minority of the people actually participate in or condone the activity?
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JuTMSY4Legend
846 days ago
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I think a small minority of all people participate... and that's kinda the point...its a very small group...
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
846 days ago
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The problem is people look at cutural and interpet that as racial. Dogfighting is a cultural thing in regards to it occurs mostly in the south. However, because the minority of people who participate in it is so small, I don think it deserves to have its own culture.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
846 days ago
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You said it much better than I did Pup. I just can't seem to see what culture this could have been part of. When I think American, I think: hot dogs and baseball. When I think African-American, I think: Blues and Soul food. And when I think southern, I think: Biscuits and gravy, and southern hospitality. Never would I have associated dog fighting with any of those cultures.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
846 days ago
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Exactly if anything it is a sub-culture, that exist in the underground. Much like a drug culture of kids doing Meth. That is not the culture of that community but it is an aspect within a larger culture.
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FanProphetVarsity
846 days ago
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"if it was David Carr who bankrolled dogfighting and tortured and murdered animals". Would it be a "cultural thing" then, Whoop? Culture and race are two totally separated issues, get it right. If you've watched HBO's program with Bryant Gumble you'll see it has nothing to do with race. What makes America so great is the freedom to have your own opinion and what's wrong to you may not be wrong to someone else. Whether right or wrong it's how they grew up. Oh well!
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
846 days ago
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While I think excusing Vick's behavior as a "cultural thing" is wrong, I likewise think that the comparison of dogfighting and killing animals to the race based murders of human beings to be a false analogy.

As a completely separate thought, I am surprised that the focus on dog fighting has not led to any discussion of the brutal treatments of Greyhounds in dog racing.

http://www.h...g_facts.html
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TheBatmanVarsity
845 days ago
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MetsJetsetc., Please further define "false analogy". It's exactly that mindset, that crimes against innocent animals are not tantamount to those against innocent humans, that creates excuse #1 for such dispicable behavior. Be careful about invoking the rules of logic unless you truly understand the consequences.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
845 days ago
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Dogs are not people. This is clearly established in the law. There is no equivalency between killing a dog and killing a person. In no state does killing a dog or even multiple dogs qualify you for a death sentence. In many states, killing a person does. According to federal law, physician assisted suicide is illegal. Dogs are euthenized all the time.
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TheBatmanVarsity
845 days ago
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Steeltown,

Vick has the chance for both forgiveness and a 2nd shot in the NFL, that's a given. But what earth makes you think he "deserves" it. Shouldn't there be a point at which one's actions do not merit a 2nd chance in society, much less the NFL?

Had Vick electrocuted, drowned and tortured innocent women, men or children; people would be screaming for the death penalty right now. Had Vick molested little boys, would you be championing his release and return to your neighborhood?

Am I the only one who knows that his "mistake" is the same "mistake" so often made in the onset of sociopaths and psychopaths?

Dogs are not "just dogs". They are living beings. Anyone who can extinguish the lives of defenseless animals so arbitrarily, is not far from doing the same with humans.

2nd chance? That's up to the court of public opinion. Vick couldn't handle fame, I doubt he'll do well with ignominy.

But "deserving"? He deserves much worse than he's getting.
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TheBatmanVarsity
845 days ago
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JuTMSY4, Please see above. He deserves to hung in effigy.
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TheBatmanVarsity
845 days ago
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BigPPup, Excellent point and one I missed. What does an idiotic statement like Goldberg's do to reflect black culture, or southern culture. Come to think of it, Goldberg wasn't just dishonest, she ran counterintuitive to her purpose.
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TheBatmanVarsity
845 days ago
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Fanprophet,

You're pointing the arrow at the wrong person, cowboy. I did not intone that culture and race were tantamount (they are not). Whoopie did. Are you willing to fool yourself into thinking:

a) That the fact that Goldberg and others like her have championed Vick's "cause" for reasons other than race? Please send me the list of white public figures who have rushed to Vick's side)

b) That any rational person doesn't see through the thinly veiled excuse making as just that.

Before you tell someone to "get it right", you might want to consider who "got it worng in the first place.
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