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12th Team to the Big Ten?

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by Cory McKnight

As most of you know, the Big Ten has been wanting to add a twelfth team for years. Ideally, there are several teams who could join the conference and bolster the success of the conference.

First and foremost, the most ideal team to join the conference would the Notre Dame Fighting Irish. Notre Dame sits in Big Ten country, has the largest fan base in America, and has a huge budget. Notre Dame would benefit by joining because their schedule would be set. As an independent, they sometimes struggle to field a full schedule. Also, they would not have to play the likes of Army and Duke every season either. However, Notre Dame will never join a conference. The Irish have it made for a college football team. They are the Bill Gates of college football. With their television contract with NBC, Notre Dame games are shown exclusively on NBC and the school is paid substantially for it. Along with their television deal, the Irish also have a deal with the BCS. If the Irish are in the top six of the BCS, they are guaranteed a berth into a BCS bowl game, which are the top five bowl games. According to the BCS website, the payout for a team who should make a BCS game is over 14 million. The team has to share the money with the conference. If Notre Dame would make the BCS every seven seasons, they would make more money than any Big Ten team in that time frame. Simply put, the Irish are making way too much money for a college football team, and will not join a conference due to that.

The second team that would make the most sense to join the conference as the twelfth team would be West Virginia. The Mountaineers currently play in the Big East. The Big East is a conference of only eight teams, but they could find a replacement team easily. It would make more sense for the Mountaineers to join the Big Ten because of the level of competition. It is possible for WVU to go undefeated in the Big East and still not make the National Championship. It is highly unlikely for that to happen if they are in the Big Ten. WVU is a program still on the rise with a growing fan base. Their stadium holds 60, 000 people, which is decent enough capacity to hold Big Ten fan bases.

The third school which would make sense to join the Big Ten would be Rutgers. Rutgers is a rapidly growing as a program and has a large growing fan base. Also, if the Scarlet Knights were to join the conference, the New York area fans would become interested in Big Ten football. As long as Rutgers keeps progressing into a top-tier program, their football team would be perfect in the Big Ten. If they become the Rutgers of old, they need to stay in their conference.

A third school from the Big East, and fourth of all teams, that could venture into the Big Ten would be Pittsburgh. The Panthers have a middle of the road program, which would help the depth of the Big Ten. Their facilities, which hold 64, 540, also hosts the NFL’s Pittsburgh Steelers. Pitt is in Big Ten country, and if added to the Big Ten, could develop a big time rivalry with Penn State.

The fifth school that popped into my head was Syracuse. Their program has fallen recently over the years, but their large budget mixed with Big Ten revenue sharing could bring the program back up. Syracuse’s facilities, the Carrier Dome, hold 50, 000 people. That is a smaller Big Ten capacity, but it is also indoors. It would add a second indoor stadium to the Big Ten. Syracuse would not only potentially help the depth of the conference, but also make the academic record better. Along with Rutgers, the Orange would bring in the New York area fan base and introduce them to Big Ten football.

After Syracuse, there are vague options. The top candidate after the Orange would be Iowa State. The Cyclones, like Pittsburgh, are a middle of the road program. Jack Trice Stadium is a small stadium, as it holds less that 46, 000 people. The main reason Iowa State would be considered is so they can establish the in-state rivalry which could attract more fans to the Big Ten. If Iowa and Iowa State played late in season, it could possibly have conference championship implications, which would attract more ratings, and potentially more money for the conference.

The final team that came into my head was Marshall. The Herd have small facilities, less than 39, 000 capacity, and a smaller fan base than most teams on this list, but are very passionate about their football. Against Big Ten opponents, Marshall is 0-2. The most recent loss of those two came on a last second FG in a game won by the Ohio State Buckeyes in 2005. Marshall’s program has declined since the likes of Chad Pennington and Randy Moss, but is able to thrive again. The Herd, like most Big Ten teams, have a good history and have the potential to thrive in the Big Ten.

If the Big Ten were to add a twelfth team, I believe it should be one of the seven teams listed above. Above all things, it should be because of the potential of all teams to thrive in the conference and bring in even more revenue for the conference.


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ChristofMVP
828 days ago
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I would like to see Notre Dame become part of the Big 10. Thus, Penn St. would have a legitimate end of season rival to play every year.

With that said, it is likely Notre Dame will not be the 12th team. The only way Notre Dame would accept this would be if they feel as though NBC would not be re-upping the TV deal it has with the university. With 7 straight bowl game losses, NBC may say no mas. Unlikely, but impossible.

If Notre Dame does say no, look for the 12th team to come not from the East, but from the Mid-West. It is quite possible that a BIg 12 team would jump to the Big 10.
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LocknessmonsterDraft Pick
828 days ago
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The choices you have for a possible 12th Big Ten team seem reasonable, but I don't understand the conference's continued desire to make this happen. Sure, adding another team and a conference championship game brings money in, but the cost is too high. The importance of rivalry games, particularly OSU-Michigan, goes way down, plus it could end up costing the conference a chance to win a national title in certain situations.
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Dolph72Varsity Captain
828 days ago
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Its all a good thought. Unfortunately most Big East teams will not even consider jumping since they put on a $2 million dollar buy out to leave. When looking at what the Big 10 is trying to do (push its network on cable companies) you realize they are looking big markets. With Notre Dame not interested in a pay cut and Rutgers being financially challenged the biggest market left is Pittsburgh. They play in a HUGE stadium, they could be natural rivals with Penn State, and the would have a larger number of people interested in the network. I also wouldn't mind seeing the Big 10 take a swipe at Baylor just to expand into Texas.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
828 days ago
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Good article, well thought out suggestions, but I don't think Notre Dame struggles to fill out their schedule.

I've always hated the Big Eleven, partially because they're the only BCS conference that can have co-champions because not every team plays every other team, and there's no championship game.

How about Boise State as the 12th team?
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Cory McKnightSoccer Kid
828 days ago
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Boise?...No way...Traveling from Penn State to Idaho?...No
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HappyskinnyAll-American
828 days ago
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what's the differnce between that and for instance Miami having to travel to Boston College?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
828 days ago
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Or Idaho to Hawaii
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HappyskinnyAll-American
828 days ago
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I fail to see the benefit of the Big Ten adding a team like Syracuse. They would not go out of their way to add an awful football team (which would get even worse in the Big Ten) just to have a Big Ten championship game. I also fail to see how adding a second indoor stadium to the Big Ten does anything for the conference.
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B-ryeJV Squad
828 days ago
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But think about adding Syracuse to the conference for basketball purposes and it makes total sense.
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HappyskinnyAll-American
828 days ago
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His article was talking about football.
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Cory McKnightSoccer Kid
828 days ago
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Syracuse was a fifth option. I didnt have them as my number one team to get into the conference. However, I see your point. Their program would make a turnaround if added to the Big Ten though!
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
828 days ago
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Funny, I was thinking about this very topic earlier this morning. I agree that Notre Dame will never join a conference as long as they can have the advantages of being in a conference while remaining independent. Raiding from the Big East is highly improbable because of the penalty. I think Iowa State or raing from the MAC are the most likely options. Given ISU belongs to the Big Twelve, my guess is that they would have a hard time leaving unless the B12 can find a replacement.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
828 days ago
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How does Lousville get left out of this conversation? They have to be the first or second option behind ND based on the facilities and success of football and basketball.
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Dcsundevil2002Div-I Stud
828 days ago
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I definately think that West Virginia or Pitt will be courted by the Big Ten if the conference sees another round of Bowl blowups like we saw last year. Once the conference realizes the potential income that they could reap from the Big 10 Championship game, maybe held at Soldier Field?, then they will get a 12th team.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
734 days ago
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Soldier Field's a great stadium (probably the best pro stadium in all the Midwest), but by the time the Championship game comes about, it'll be December. Chicago in December: who want's to sit in a 25-25 degree stadium for 4 hours? No, Ford Field in Detroit much more likely. Controlled climate and a sufficient 70,000 capacity make a good conference championship stadium. Lucas Oil Stadium (future Colts stadium) is set for a 75,000 capacity, and will be completely state-of-the-art upon completion. That, when finished, would make an even better championship stadium than Ford Field.
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RynoWaterboy
828 days ago
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All good ideas.

But a bigger question looms...how do you break down the divisions?

Do you put the two powerhouses (UM and OSU) in different divisions and purposefully schedule each other every year? Could you have a division that has Michigan, OSU and Penn State all in the same side (SEC East does it with UT, UGA and UF). Could you really put Northwestern and Indiana in the same division and still call it competative?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
828 days ago
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I think one division would be MSU, OSU, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, and the 12th team. The other division would be Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, Northwestern, and Illinois. People forget that Wisconsin is a pretty damn good team these days, and Minnesota is always competetive.
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JuTMSY4Legend
828 days ago
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This is so easy...add a 12th team...the detroit lions...
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Dcsundevil2002Div-I Stud
825 days ago
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Why would teh Big 10 want to bring in a high school calibar football team?
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
828 days ago
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To the Louisville comment:

I left Louisville off for a reason but I cant think of the reason now. I was doing notes on any team in the Big Ten area who could join the conference and left them off for certain reasons.

To the Miami traveling to BC comment:

That conference is the Atlantic Coast Conference. Both teams are on the Atlantic Coast. Yes, The Big Ten does not specify where they play, but all teams are in the Midwest, so why throw Boise in and mess that up? If you throw Boise into the Big Ten, then why cant UConn join the Big 12?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
828 days ago
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Would Akron be better? Big conferences usually don't go after teams unless they're good programs. Boise State isn't in the Midwest, but the ACC used to be an exclusively southeastern conference, ocncentrated in the mid-Atlantic region. With Boston College's closest conference mate being Maryland, it still is a mid-Atlantic conference with one northern Atlantic team, and one southern Atlantic team.
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
772 days ago
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I don't think Louisville meets the academic standards of the Big Ten. That is one thing that holds the Big Ten back in getting another team. They look at the academics just as much as the athletics when looking at what a school brings to the conference.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
734 days ago
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Louisville not meeting acedemic standards? bwah, what acedemic standards does the Big Ten have? sure all the Big Ten schools are their respective state's flagship universities, but none of them strike me as real Harvards and Yales. Sure Northwestern's one of America's best schools, and Michigan's pretty good, but all the rest are above average. That's it. Most Big Ten schools are above average. Of course I may have a Southern bias (in my opinion, the best three public schools in America are Chapel Hill (UNC), Florida, and Virginia). Of course I'll also admit Ole Miss, Arkansas, and a handfull of other SEC schools are nothing but above average (like their Big Ten counterparts)...
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
828 days ago
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That is me, Cory McKnight, above. My login wont work right now.
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
826 days ago
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Notre Dame has troubles filling out its schedule? Riiiiiight. And Iowa State and Iowa already compete every season. I don't think moving it later in the season helps anything. I would think the Big Ten power house teams will just want another fluff team so pump up their schedule and give them a championship game to play against the other power house teams. The Rutgers connection might be good to tap into the NY market which is largely untapped.
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MECUVarsity
826 days ago
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That was me.
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Cory McKnightSoccer Kid
826 days ago
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They play bad teams. Army, Navy. Thats trouble filling out your schedule. I dont care if they have played for years, thats still awful. Put them in the Big Ten and they can play the teams they already do (mainly a Big Ten schedule) AND keep the rivalry with USC.
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Cory McKnightSoccer Kid
824 days ago
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Also. Divisional breakdown would be hard. Say Rutgers joins the conference.

Big Ten North-Minnesota, Michigan State, Michigan, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Purdue

Big Ten South-Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana
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Anonymous Fanatic #7
657 days ago
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Instead of doing a east/west division alignment, do a north/south alignment.

If Rutgers joins the Big 10, the divisions could look like this:

Big Ten North: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Michigan, Northwestern, and Iowa.

Big Ten South: Penn State, Rutgers, Purdue, Ohio State, Illinois, and Indiana.

That would be probably the fairest alignment. You get powerhouses like UW and UM in the north for the title and then OSU, PSU, and MAYBE Illinois, but they would have to compete every year. As for the conference chanpionship game, they would probably play it in Indy because that is the big ten's sweetheart and their headquarters are there so that would be and obvious choice.
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Makulu53Tee-Baller
616 days ago
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I like the Big Ten the way it currently is. I do not favor adding a 12th team simply to enable a football playoff game.

High academic standards, travel time/costs and preserving natural rivalries are all important considerations.

Given these factors, Notre Dame would obviously be the first choice, but as long as ND has a sweet deal with football TV revenue, they are going to try to maintain the status quo. As travel costs continue to rise, if their TV revenue does not keep pace, ND might reconsider. It has to be expensive for ND to send its minor (low revenue) sports teams on all those east coast road trips.

There is no easy way to balance a 12-team Big Ten on a geographical basis that would preserve the major rivalries such as the Old Oaken Bucket, Little Brown Jug, Paul Bunyan's Axe, Michigan-OSU, etc. IF ND were to join the Big Ten, the most logical configuration of the 2 six team divisions would be:

Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Illinois and Northwestern.

Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa.

Pittsburgh would be the next best choice after Notre Dame. Pitt is a fine academic institution, has excellent facilities, and they are competive in the big money sports of football and basketball. Pitt is weak in other sports, but they are already within the Big Ten orbit travel-wise. With oil prices and travel costs continuing to rise, this is going to become a growing consideration. Pittsburgh would strengthen the Big Ten TV revenue position without adding greatly to travel costs. Pitt would also give Penn State a natural rival within the Big Ten.

Rutgers or Syracuse would extend the reach of the Big Ten deeply into the New York TV market. They are good schools academically. But both are weak in most of the minor sports and they would add substantially to travel costs.

While West Virginia and Louisville would be a good match in terms of sports, they don't quite measure up academically, don't add much in terms of TV revenue, and would entail higher travel costs.

"Stealing" Iowa State, Nebraska or Missouri from the Big 12 is not a good idea for many of the above reasons. They are more similar to each other than they are to most of the Big Ten.

A real long shot would be the University of Toronto. UT is the largest and one of the most prestigious universities in Canada. They would need to upgrade their athletic programs, which they might balk at, but this would be an interesting possibility.
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Anonymous Fanatic #8
366 days ago
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I say the Big Ten should push hard for Notre Dame. They have lost their last 7 bowl games and did'nt go to a bowl in 2007. I give them five more years of this and then the Big Ten should give them a call. I bet they will join. Especially since they fit in perfectly: great tradition, acadimics, location. They practically play in the Big Ten anyway with who they schedule every year.
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Anonymous Fanatic #9
345 days ago
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If you add Pitt which in my mind is the best team to join i say u just split the conferences like Red Division and Blue Division. and set the divisions by initials Red- Illinois,Iowa,Indiana,Michigan,Minnesota,and Michigan State Blue- Northwestern,Ohio State,Penn State,Pittsburgh,Purdue,and Wisconsin
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Anonymous Fanatic #9
345 days ago
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im Bob Dickinson im also Anonymous#9 my login is not working but anyway i agree with anonymous fanatic#8 too Notre Dame should be added if they continue to suck in football they will join and they already play Michigan,Michigan State,Purdue,Penn State,and Illinois and Northwestern once in a while why not just add them and just have them play USC,Boston College,Navy and Army for non conference games
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Anonymous Fanatic #10
22 days ago
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you want a 12th team throw the detroit lions in there they may actually have a shot at winning more then 2 games in 2 seasons
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