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(Some) Black people need to stop these nonsensical Vick defenses.

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by Bernard9119

Bernard McShaughnessy

You know it's a weird week when a guy gets eaten by bears -- and called "an idiot" for it -- a woman gets raped and murdered by her pet camel and one of the planet's biggest athletes pleads guilty to murdering dogs and running an organized crime syndicate with the goal of setting up instances in which dogs murder each other for the sake of betting on which dog will do the murdering.

Basically, the theme is -- when humans and animals interact, one of them is getting raped, murdered, eaten or bet on ... or maybe all four ...

I've got my eye on you, Marmaduke.

Anyway, back to my favorite subject -- the nonsense that won't die -- Mike Vick being jailed.

Bern is going through another one of those insufferable sports talk radio phases and it seems like life has become an exercise in slamming my head against the wall for eight hours each day because of it ... that and the fact that my job is about as scintillating as watching monkeys masturbate onto a tree branch ... actually, I think the monkey jerk-off session wins that battle.

Digressions aside, many, many black people have been calling in to these shows to explain why the evil white man has conspired to incarcerate Michael Vick for his blackness.

Yesterday, one dude called in from Harlem -- here we go again, the radio host and I simultaneously think -- and said something like, "in this country, if it's white, it's right -- white people all go huntin' and that ain't illegal ..." and he then rambled for another 2-3 minutes without making any valid points and while, of course, not listening to any reason, whatsoever.

Wow ... incredible ... a Ku Klux Klansman then called Klan headquarters to explain that their long and arduous search for a new motto had finally ended with, "if it's white, it's right."

Getting back to Vick, today Stephon Marbury echoed our Harlem friend's point by saying (in reference to the Vick situation), "We don't say anything about people shooting deers and shooting other animals, you know what I mean?"

Deers.

Aside from being an absolute lunatic, Starbury is also a master of pluralization!

Anyway, hearing this abhorrently flawed point of view roughly fifty times in the last 36 hours prompted me to scream confounded gibberish at the Star Wars rock band printout that hangs on my cube wall.

When I was done giving my prized printout the business, I apologized, kissed it ever so gingerly and decided to write this blog that is happening right now ... although, by the time you are reading this it won't be right now ... it will be the future ... basically, Bernard is capable of time travel.

Boo-yah!

And we're back -- the thing that gets ol' Bern so fired up in regard to the aforementioned ridiculously stupid argument is one thing -- HUNTING SERVES A REASONABLE AND LEGAL PURPOSE!

I don't hunt and there is a 99.9% chance that I never will, but -- despite the fact that actual hunters have myriad reasons for wanting to kill stuff -- people are only allowed to hunt, legally, because it serves the purpose of thinning the populations of certain animals.

Mike Vick killed 8 dogs over six years. You can't kill dogs. It's against the law.

You also can't kill bald eagles.

If I had, over six years, shown a malicious and repeated penchant for killing bald eagles -- to the point that I electrocuted or drowned eight of them, while holding them in captivity -- you can bet your prized fighting dog that I would get at least 18 months in jail, despite the fact that I am white.

I would probably get like 5 years in jail.

Which leads me to my another point, regardless of what his crime was, Vick knew dogfighting was illegal and he set up an organized crime machine to function below the radar of the justice system -- whether he was fighting dogs, or selling crack, he organized an illegal operation and doesn't freaking matter that certain black people might not think dogfighting should be illegal.

It's illegal -- that is that.

I don't really think Marijuana should be illegal, but if I was found to be running an organized operation to sell it -- including the purchase of an entire house at which to run the operation -- and was caught/found to have been running said operation for six years, I would not go into the courtroom with a defense of, "but I just don't think that weed should be illegal, your honor, so I'll be leaving, now -- cool?"

All these enraged black people also act like the dude is going to be locked down for the rest of his life ... it is:

Eighteen. Damn. Months!

The dude is lucky as Hell -- he had the best attorneys money could buy and they saved him a lot of trouble.

I can almost guarantee you that there is some WHITE trash hillbilly in some random Alabama prison doing like six years on animal fighting charges, because he got stuck with some hayseed, legal aid attorney who got his degree from Mortimer's Law School for Ignorant Simps, over the Internet.

So forgive me if I seem like a racist, but I am sick of this obtuse BS that I only hear from black people -- I'm sure some white people think it, too, and I personally know black people who do not think it.

I'm just saying ... that I probably shouldn't listen to sports talk, anymore.

Berndeers.

p.s. This article can be viewed, with images and obscenities, at my site -- The Life And Times of Bernard.


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JuTMSY4Legend
832 days ago
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How can $15 sneakers be wrong?! ; - )
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MegECass110AAA-er
832 days ago
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I don't understand the hunting analogy either. As far as I know (I don't hunt), you don't bet on how many deer you can shoot, you don't drown the deer, you don't watch two deer fight to the death for shits and giggles, you don't have a "rape stand" to breed deer for fighting. The comparison doesn't work.
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JuTMSY4Legend
832 days ago
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Sadly, a closer analogy is horse racing...and yet I've heard more from PETA about this in the last few weeks than horse racing in general for my entire life...
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Bernard9119Soccer Kid
832 days ago
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Horse racing? I have never seen two horses fight to the death at the Kentucky Derby.

I have, however, seen a horse with a broken leg be put down (a horse with a broken leg will die a slow painful death if not put down), in person, and there was no bludgeoning, electrocution, or drowning involved ... until Purnell Peace showed up and rocked the house!

Oh, Purnell ...
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JuTMSY4Legend
832 days ago
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Yeah...what about the training involved in getting a horse read...the constant steroid use...the fact that the horse was put into a situation where he broke his leg...oh...and like horse don't have "rape stands"...they get put out to breed all the time...

Honestly, horse racing (and dog racing) are pretty cruel sports...is it better...no...but its a much closer analogy than hunting

Besides...on a basic level hunting is no different than cattle farming (which is gross in its own right, speaking from personal experience)
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InsanMajor Leaguer
832 days ago
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Waiting for NAJMO to enter....
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JuTMSY4Legend
832 days ago
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So cold and so bold...haven't seem him all day though...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
832 days ago
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"Yesterday, one dude called in from Harlem -- here we go again, the radio host and I simultaneously think" Yeah, it's shocking that black people think there's racism in this country. I don't know where they gat that idea.
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Bernard9119Soccer Kid
832 days ago
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It's not racism -- it is the fact that 100% of all black callers have been saying the same thing for 2 months. I have not once heard a differing perspective from a person who made a point to start the call by saying, "I'm a black man ..."
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JuTMSY4Legend
832 days ago
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Racism in this country (IMO) is a lot less noticable than it used to be...

Look, no white people i know (or any color really) legitimately used the "N-word"...no one thinks black people are dumber or weaker or inherently thugs...

There are no more physiological or mental diffences in black, spanish, asian, white, etc people than their are between pretty much any black person and another black person (or asian and asian, etc)...

And yet, there are still known instances of discrimination...people still cross the street when they see an "oddly" dressed black person (I've done it, i'll admit it!), black people still live in poor situations (and they're born there...no 6 year old chose to live in the ghetto), they still get a considerably crappy inner-city education...

Then again, we also have affirmative action, the quota system, the concept of minority voting and so on...

You can debunk those callers for any other reason...but not because their all black
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Bernard9119Soccer Kid
832 days ago
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Did I attempt to debunk them for being black? I provided myriad reasons why these callers were incorrect. That was the point of the post. I guess I could have written the article without mentioning that all of these people were black, but I'm simply not that PC -- it was a detail I felt was important enough to include.
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JuTMSY4Legend
832 days ago
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"I have not once heard a differing perspective from a person who made a point to start the call by saying, I'm a black man ... "
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
832 days ago
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I know on WEEI in Boston, Larry Johnson (not THE Larry Johnson) is black and isn't complaining about racism in the Vick case. But he's a host, not a caller.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
832 days ago
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By the way, I agreed with every major point you made, but at the same time I think it's easy to see why some black people might be a bit wary about racism. It's the boy who cried wolf syndrome. You send black people to jail unjustly for a few centuries, then whenever they go to jail and belong there, people don't believe it. Or something like that. Someone give me a -1 for this rambling.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
832 days ago
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Yeah, the host is probably a reasonably intelligent guy. Stephon Marbury and these callers are not. I'm the only non-black person on my team at work and not one of my co-workers agrees with Steph and Harlem guy's perspective. Intelligent, successful people aren't generally looking for anyone to blame for certain things, in life, no matter what color they are.
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Bernard9119Soccer Kid
832 days ago
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Anonymous was me.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
830 days ago
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Village idiots beginning with the letter "B" seem to be attracted to this website recently. Thanks for injecting some common sense to the discussion, JuT.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
832 days ago
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As usual, Meg got it exactly right. Whatever one wants to say about torturing and murdering dogs, the crux of what Vick was in trouble for was running an illegal gambling empire. I imagine if a hunter, white or not, was similarly running an illegal gambling ring, he would get jail time as well.
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JuTMSY4Legend
832 days ago
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At least you'll get a plus from me MJD...
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JuTMSY4Legend
832 days ago
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I swear i gave you a plus...what the shit...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
832 days ago
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I hunt with electricity and drowning pools all the time!!!

Me and my buddies trap deer and put them in small, razorwire-lined pens. Then we shine headlights on them until they perfect the Reche Caldwell look. Then we have known sex offenders take turns getting violated by the deer before we poke them with prods and pointy sticks. Watching us poke and prod the sex offenders is the only moment of joy the deer get. We do that repeatedly until the deer get mean. Then we make them watch a DVD called Rob Deer - World's Greatest Mosquito Killer while we read Rich Kotite's autobiography to them.

Then we bungee cord them to our trucks and go Pickup Deer Jousting!!!

What? You've never tried? We slam our trucks into each other - with vicious deer attached - in church, resting home and elementary school parking lots all over the area.

And we don't eat the deer either! No. We grind the grisled, bloody mess into a slurry and feed it to our next rounds of trapped, vicious deer to make 'em go crazy before the next joust!

And of course, make $1 gentlemanly bets on whose shotguns stay on the rack longer...

But I would never electrocute or drown a dog...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
832 days ago
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I read an article on Yahoo that quoted a member of the NAACP as saying he doesn't like dog fighting anymore than hunting. It is clear that this analogy is coming from the top on this one. I just hope that all of these people condemning dog fighting and then equating it with hunting are vegetarians. On another tangent, I don't think it is right to pin this on black people. It is a loud minority getting all of the press time as usuall. I am sure the majority of black people don't see the hunting analogy carying any weight.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
832 days ago
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It's no small secret that Black people are loud... (I miss Ralph Wiley...)
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TheruffianVarsity Captain
832 days ago
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Sir I am a black man, and while I do not condone Mr. Vick actions I do understand where the desire to defend him comes from. It comes from a perspective of this society that is ingrained in you (if you are a non-white)from birth whether you like it or not. Because, you see, if you are a non-white it doesn't matter what your personal opinion is on the prominence of racism in this society. You will be inevitably be confronted with it, in one form or another, whether you acknowledge it or not. A lot of individuals who seek to defend Vick to the point where they cease to make sense know that they are not being logical. But they are tired of the injustices they see in this society on a daily basis from the legacy of Hurricane Katrina to the average joe who gets pulled over by the cops because 'you looked suspicious and this is a high crime area'(has happened to me more than once and I'm a college grad with no criminal record). They seed to defend him because in him they see themselves and can identify with that. Now I'm not going to speak on his charachter like so many other bloggers and columnists have as if I actually know the man, but I think I can reasonably say that this is not an activity that he got into to see how many dogs he could kill but because he saw it as a 'sport'. He was probably exposed to it at an early age and therefore developed the belief that there was nothing morally wrong with this activity (again only speculation). My point is I think that defenders of Vick are not actually trying to excuse his actions but trying to defend him against the almost unprecedented palpable hate that is being directed towards this man from all corners of the media. Sure he broke the law but guess what? He's not getting away with it. He's going to jail. End of story. With all the problems going on in this country why are people turning such venemous hate towards this man? Did he kidnap American soldier in Iraq and behead them on national tv? Is he the reason why an 80-year old grandmother in New Orleans might be homeless because the government is trying to foreclose on her home that she only owes 5 more payments on? Is he the reason why millions of children in this country have no health care? I can think of cases where people have been convicted of torturing, drowning, shooting, raping human beings and the perpertrators have not been ostracized to the degree that Vick has. He deserves to pay for his actions, he deserves to go to jail, but he does not deserve your hatred. Please people direct your energies towards more uplifting pursuits.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
832 days ago
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Though I agree with most of what you say, there are a couple of things I have a problem with.

"A lot of individuals who seek to defend Vick to the point where they cease to make sense know that they are not being logical. But they are tired of the injustices they see in this society..."

You see, this is the crap that really gets me mad. So what your saying is that there is not need to come to logical conclusions because someone is black and frustrated. With that logic, why make an argument at all. Just stant up and say "he's innocent because white people suck", thats the quality of logic that your saying is acceptable.

"...he saw it as a 'sport'. He was probably exposed to it at an early age and therefore developed the belief that there was nothing morally wrong with this activity..."

Speculation or not, this is just baloney. I am sick of this crap theruffian. Right is right and wrong is wrong. I don't care where you grew up. Even if he was exposed at an early age. I am certain that it was, at some point in his upbringing, told to him that dogfighting is illegal. You can have all of the moral arguments you want about that but the fact is, if it is illegal, you need to change the law or follow it. Your feelings have no bearing on the law.
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TheruffianVarsity Captain
832 days ago
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Steel Town - that's not what I'm saying at all. You missed the whole point of my post in your eagerness to condemn Vick. No where in my post did I seek to justify what he's done. Nor am I trying to say that people who try to defend him with non-sensical reasoning are right. The author of this post and some of the commenters seemed to be confused about why people would even seek to defend Vick, and I was trying to give you all some insight into that. I brought up the second line you quoted not to justify what Vick did (I see you conveniently left off the first part of the sentence)but to offer my opinion that Vick is not some monster who loves to kill things, but a human being who made a huge mistake. Again you missed the whole point of my post which was to try to give you guys some insight into the thinking of people who are still defending him (not to try to defend him myself). He broke the physical law, he broke one of society's moral laws, he's going to jail, I agree with and have no problem with that. Now maybe our attention can be turned towards some of the other injustices in the world instead of dwelling in this.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
831 days ago
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I don't think you understood what I was saying either so I will leave it at that.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
830 days ago
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Correction Stee Town: It is YOU that doesn't understand theruffian's message. Not the other way around. Let's just "leave it at that."
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TheruffianVarsity Captain
832 days ago
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And by the way it occurs to me that some of you out there are guilty of animal cruelty too: beating a dead horse.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
830 days ago
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Slavery was once legal, Segregated restrooms were once legal, It was legal to deny women the right to vote, at one time only White male property owners were considered true legal citizens. The idea that just because something is legal/illegal that it is inherently right or inherently wrong is just stupid, and shows a complete lack of historical context. Trophy hunting is a perfectly apt analogy, the purpose of it is to kill the animal and mount its head on your living room wall, there are no laws that say you have to eat the meat. So basicly what you saying is that its totally reasonable for men (and women) to go into the woods, stalk deer, and shoot it... for "sport".
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
830 days ago
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(Some)White people need to stop complaining about (Some) Black people exercising their right to peaceful assembly.

And just a point to the author of this column (along with sympathetic commentators) that a hell of a lot of brothers died in defense of this nation's freedoms from past and present wars.

They died defending virtues for others that they themselves never could enjoy in this country.

Agree or disagree with some of these Vick sympathizers is your right. However, it is also their right to express their opinion as well. They don't "need" to ever stop exercising their right to peaceful assembly.

And by the way - just "Black" people defending Vick?

B.S.
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